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  • delta@chaos.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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    End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ...

    Both #deltachat and #signal go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. #Matrix stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.

    Everything is better than #Telegram which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.

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      End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ...

      Both #deltachat and #signal go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. #Matrix stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.

      Everything is better than #Telegram which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.

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      @delta Do you have a position on SimpleX?

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        End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ...

        Both #deltachat and #signal go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. #Matrix stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.

        Everything is better than #Telegram which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.

        hywan@floss.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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        @delta How do you get these information about WhatsApp? Is in the app itself?

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        • hywan@floss.socialH hywan@floss.social

          @delta How do you get these information about WhatsApp? Is in the app itself?

          delta@chaos.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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          @hywan most of the info about whatsapp is found in https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/privacy-policy-eea?lang=en

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            @delta Do you have a position on SimpleX?

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            @faket we are lightly following its developments but are not impressed by its UI/UX, and also don't think they particularly care for resilience (they are blocked since >15 months in russia, and don't do much about it, for example), also they don't appear to care much for people with small data plans and bad networks, and rather tune everything for resource-rich always-connected users. They also appear to be going down the crypto-coin rabbithole quite a bit. YMMV.

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              @delta Do you have a position on SimpleX?

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              @faket
              lead dev is climate-denying nazi transphobe. not exaggerating. check his X.

              simplex being "decentralized" means having a hardcoded list of two different server operators to choose from.

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              • delta@chaos.socialD delta@chaos.social

                @faket we are lightly following its developments but are not impressed by its UI/UX, and also don't think they particularly care for resilience (they are blocked since >15 months in russia, and don't do much about it, for example), also they don't appear to care much for people with small data plans and bad networks, and rather tune everything for resource-rich always-connected users. They also appear to be going down the crypto-coin rabbithole quite a bit. YMMV.

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                @delta Thank you for your input 😄

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                • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

                  @faket
                  lead dev is climate-denying nazi transphobe. not exaggerating. check his X.

                  simplex being "decentralized" means having a hardcoded list of two different server operators to choose from.

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                  @pelle Thank you for this, so you mean I can’t install my own server and use it ? Didn’t found any doc on installing a server on their repo, but didn’t search a lot…

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