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    Jeg deler her en udmelding fra Madbudenes Organisation. Det er dem der fagligt organiserer madbude i københavn. Jeg har ingen relation til Madbudenes Organisation. Jeg synes bare det er en vigtig kamp de kæmper.

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    Vi undlader at medvirke i Fagbladet 3F, før de begynder at stoppe med at skrive om migrantarbejdere på en skadelige måde.
    Det har vi vedtaget som aktuel udtalelse på vores seneste generalforsamling. 1/10

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      Jeg deler her en udmelding fra Madbudenes Organisation. Det er dem der fagligt organiserer madbude i københavn. Jeg har ingen relation til Madbudenes Organisation. Jeg synes bare det er en vigtig kamp de kæmper.

      English version can be found in the comments.

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      Vi undlader at medvirke i Fagbladet 3F, før de begynder at stoppe med at skrive om migrantarbejdere på en skadelige måde.
      Det har vi vedtaget som aktuel udtalelse på vores seneste generalforsamling. 1/10

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      Vi kan ikke samarbejde med Fagbladet 3F, når de skriver på den måde som de gør om migrantarbejdere

      Arbejdsmarkedsjournalistik i Danmark belyser uretfærdige vilkår. Det er vi stolte af.
      Arbejdere på sygehuse er kommet til orde, og kunne fortælle om dårlig løn og arbejdsvilkår. I byggeriet har arbejdsmarkedsjournalistikken med løndumping og faglig forfølgelse. Vi kan bruge det agitatorisk på vores arbejdspladser som tillidsvalgte.
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        Vi kan ikke samarbejde med Fagbladet 3F, når de skriver på den måde som de gør om migrantarbejdere

        Arbejdsmarkedsjournalistik i Danmark belyser uretfærdige vilkår. Det er vi stolte af.
        Arbejdere på sygehuse er kommet til orde, og kunne fortælle om dårlig løn og arbejdsvilkår. I byggeriet har arbejdsmarkedsjournalistikken med løndumping og faglig forfølgelse. Vi kan bruge det agitatorisk på vores arbejdspladser som tillidsvalgte.
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        Vi kan dele sejre, fortælle om brancheforhold. Vores klubber gør brug af det. Og det anerkendes også fagligt. De journalister der beskæftiger sig med vores dagligdag, vinder priser for god kvalitet og standarder, som vi i Danmark bør være stolte over.

        Vores eget medie “Fagbladet 3F” er et af de mest læste fagblade, så vi sikrer at arbejdernes sag konstant er på danskernes nethinde. Men dagbladene er også i krise.
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          Vi kan dele sejre, fortælle om brancheforhold. Vores klubber gør brug af det. Og det anerkendes også fagligt. De journalister der beskæftiger sig med vores dagligdag, vinder priser for god kvalitet og standarder, som vi i Danmark bør være stolte over.

          Vores eget medie “Fagbladet 3F” er et af de mest læste fagblade, så vi sikrer at arbejdernes sag konstant er på danskernes nethinde. Men dagbladene er også i krise.
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          Vi ved at der er hård konkurrence, der også bringer kvaliteten i fare, men også for et fagblad som vores. Denne tendens ser vi desværre i vores eget fagblad. Hvor man skal konkurrere om de dagsordner. Og at sparke nedad sælger godt. Den seneste måneds dækning af hvervningstendenser i vores brancher, er der blevet anvendt ord som, at bestemte nationaliteter “strømmer” til bestemte brancher.
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            Vi ved at der er hård konkurrence, der også bringer kvaliteten i fare, men også for et fagblad som vores. Denne tendens ser vi desværre i vores eget fagblad. Hvor man skal konkurrere om de dagsordner. Og at sparke nedad sælger godt. Den seneste måneds dækning af hvervningstendenser i vores brancher, er der blevet anvendt ord som, at bestemte nationaliteter “strømmer” til bestemte brancher.
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            Interessen og vinklingen placerer de af vores kollegaer, i et mistænkeliggørende forhold af deres reelle interesse for deres ophold. Folk der ellers er her lovligt ophold, hvor man betaler skat. Flere af dem har heller ikke adgang til sociale ydelser.

            I artikelrækken er vi blevet kontaktet, som når en avis søger kilder, men vi havde et ønske om en klar aftale af den vinkling, at den virkelighed som beskrives var en interesse om miljøernes arbejdsforhold,
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              Interessen og vinklingen placerer de af vores kollegaer, i et mistænkeliggørende forhold af deres reelle interesse for deres ophold. Folk der ellers er her lovligt ophold, hvor man betaler skat. Flere af dem har heller ikke adgang til sociale ydelser.

              I artikelrækken er vi blevet kontaktet, som når en avis søger kilder, men vi havde et ønske om en klar aftale af den vinkling, at den virkelighed som beskrives var en interesse om miljøernes arbejdsforhold,
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              men også de indsatser der bliver gjort i de miljøer for at gøre opmærksom på de uretfærdige vilkår, nogle af dem udsættes for.

              Det produkt der er kommet ud af det, har været nogle interviews til baggrund, hvor det udkomne, hvor man dernæst har kontakt ordfører som fx. Peter Skaarup fra Danmarksdemokraterne, hvis politiske interesser stemmer overens med det ovenliggende narrativ, om at mistænkeliggøre migranters sande intention, laden og gøren i Danmark.
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                men også de indsatser der bliver gjort i de miljøer for at gøre opmærksom på de uretfærdige vilkår, nogle af dem udsættes for.

                Det produkt der er kommet ud af det, har været nogle interviews til baggrund, hvor det udkomne, hvor man dernæst har kontakt ordfører som fx. Peter Skaarup fra Danmarksdemokraterne, hvis politiske interesser stemmer overens med det ovenliggende narrativ, om at mistænkeliggøre migranters sande intention, laden og gøren i Danmark.
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                At de tager jobs fra “danskere”.

                At høre de citater lader sig stående i et fagblad, som vi finansiere med vores medlemskroner, gør os en kæmpe bjørnetjeneste overfor de miljøer, vi hver dag organiserer og er i kontakt med. Man kan ikke være repræsentant for en organisation som 3F, hvor man på den ene side prøver at organisere kollegaer i de her områder, også samtidig giver spalteplads til diskurser og narrativer, som der er fyldt nok på andre nyhedssider,
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                  At de tager jobs fra “danskere”.

                  At høre de citater lader sig stående i et fagblad, som vi finansiere med vores medlemskroner, gør os en kæmpe bjørnetjeneste overfor de miljøer, vi hver dag organiserer og er i kontakt med. Man kan ikke være repræsentant for en organisation som 3F, hvor man på den ene side prøver at organisere kollegaer i de her områder, også samtidig giver spalteplads til diskurser og narrativer, som der er fyldt nok på andre nyhedssider,
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                  der ikke er sympatiske med vores sag.

                  Det er efterhånden trættende, og vi står et sted, hvor vi i dag må erkende, vi træder mere varsomt når vi vil samarbejde med et fagblad som vores. Vi er bekendt med de invendinger det kan medfølge. Tør vi ikke erkende brancheudfordringerne, skal journalister ikke bare skrive, hvad de har lyst til?

                  Jo, det skal de. Det kan de også. Det er derfor vi har et divers medielandskab,
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                    der ikke er sympatiske med vores sag.

                    Det er efterhånden trættende, og vi står et sted, hvor vi i dag må erkende, vi træder mere varsomt når vi vil samarbejde med et fagblad som vores. Vi er bekendt med de invendinger det kan medfølge. Tør vi ikke erkende brancheudfordringerne, skal journalister ikke bare skrive, hvad de har lyst til?

                    Jo, det skal de. Det kan de også. Det er derfor vi har et divers medielandskab,
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                    og hvorfor fagbladet 3F skriver om arbejdsmarkedet på den måde de gør, som man ville for eksempel kunne læse i BT, fremmer ikke de diskussioner, som er vigtige for vores medlemmer også ville få spalteplads. Det kræver selvransagelse før vi tør at samarbejde med vores fagblad, hvis de gerne vil skrive om vores miljøer. For vi kommer til at ryste lidt på hånden, når vi ikke er klar over de intentioner der ligger for dagen for interessen. Det bør stå klart overfor os,
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                      og hvorfor fagbladet 3F skriver om arbejdsmarkedet på den måde de gør, som man ville for eksempel kunne læse i BT, fremmer ikke de diskussioner, som er vigtige for vores medlemmer også ville få spalteplads. Det kræver selvransagelse før vi tør at samarbejde med vores fagblad, hvis de gerne vil skrive om vores miljøer. For vi kommer til at ryste lidt på hånden, når vi ikke er klar over de intentioner der ligger for dagen for interessen. Det bør stå klart overfor os,
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                      så vi kan være ærlige med vores kollegaer om det der skrives.

                      Vi vælger derfor på stående fod, ikke at medvirke i interviews før, vi har set der er sket et opgør på den måde, hvordan de skriver om os.

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                        Jeg deler her en udmelding fra Madbudenes Organisation. Det er dem der fagligt organiserer madbude i københavn. Jeg har ingen relation til Madbudenes Organisation. Jeg synes bare det er en vigtig kamp de kæmper.

                        English version can be found in the comments.

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                        Vi undlader at medvirke i Fagbladet 3F, før de begynder at stoppe med at skrive om migrantarbejdere på en skadelige måde.
                        Det har vi vedtaget som aktuel udtalelse på vores seneste generalforsamling. 1/10

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                        We refrain from participating in Fagbladet 3F until they stop writing about migrant workers in a harmful way. This is what we have adopted as our current statement at our last general assembly.

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                        Labour market journalism in Denmark sheds light on unfair conditions — and we are proud of that. Workers in hospitals have been given a voice, able to speak out about poor wages and working conditions. In construction, labour market journalism has exposed wage dumping and union-busting.
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                          We refrain from participating in Fagbladet 3F until they stop writing about migrant workers in a harmful way. This is what we have adopted as our current statement at our last general assembly.

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                          Labour market journalism in Denmark sheds light on unfair conditions — and we are proud of that. Workers in hospitals have been given a voice, able to speak out about poor wages and working conditions. In construction, labour market journalism has exposed wage dumping and union-busting.
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                          As union representatives, we can use this agitationally in our workplaces. We can share victories, report on industry conditions. Our workplace unions make use of it. And it is also recognized professionally. The journalists who focus on our everyday lives win awards for quality and standards that we in Denmark should be proud of.

                          Our own publication, Fagbladet 3F, is one of the most read union magazines,
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                            As union representatives, we can use this agitationally in our workplaces. We can share victories, report on industry conditions. Our workplace unions make use of it. And it is also recognized professionally. The journalists who focus on our everyday lives win awards for quality and standards that we in Denmark should be proud of.

                            Our own publication, Fagbladet 3F, is one of the most read union magazines,
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                            ensuring that the workers’ cause remains constantly on the minds of the Danish public. But the press is also in crisis. We know that intense competition is putting quality at risk — and this includes our own union magazine. Unfortunately, we see this tendency in Fagbladet 3F. Where the need to compete on agenda-setting leads to compromises. And punching down sells well. In recent coverage of recruitment trends in our sectors,
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                              ensuring that the workers’ cause remains constantly on the minds of the Danish public. But the press is also in crisis. We know that intense competition is putting quality at risk — and this includes our own union magazine. Unfortunately, we see this tendency in Fagbladet 3F. Where the need to compete on agenda-setting leads to compromises. And punching down sells well. In recent coverage of recruitment trends in our sectors,
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                              expressions have been used suggesting that certain nationalities are “flooding into” particular industries. The interest and framing of such stories place some of our colleagues in a suspicious light, casting doubt on their true motives for being here.
                              People who are here legally, pay taxes — and many of whom are not even eligible for social benefits.

                              During this series of articles, we were contacted as sources, as newspapers often do,
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                                expressions have been used suggesting that certain nationalities are “flooding into” particular industries. The interest and framing of such stories place some of our colleagues in a suspicious light, casting doubt on their true motives for being here.
                                People who are here legally, pay taxes — and many of whom are not even eligible for social benefits.

                                During this series of articles, we were contacted as sources, as newspapers often do,
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                                but we requested a clear agreement on the framing. We wanted the reality being described to focus on interest in working conditions in these environments — and also on the efforts being made within these communities to highlight the unfair conditions some are subjected to.

                                The final product, however, ended up being background interviews — followed by quotes from spokespersons such as Peter Skaarup of the Denmark Democrats,
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                                  but we requested a clear agreement on the framing. We wanted the reality being described to focus on interest in working conditions in these environments — and also on the efforts being made within these communities to highlight the unfair conditions some are subjected to.

                                  The final product, however, ended up being background interviews — followed by quotes from spokespersons such as Peter Skaarup of the Denmark Democrats,
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                                  whose political interests align with a broader narrative: one that casts suspicion on the true intentions of migrants, suggesting that they’re here to take jobs from “Danes.

                                  Seeing such quotes printed in a union magazine that we fund with our membership fees does a great disservice to the environments we organize and interact with every day. One cannot represent an organization like 3F — attempting to organize colleagues in these very communities — while at the same time
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                                    whose political interests align with a broader narrative: one that casts suspicion on the true intentions of migrants, suggesting that they’re here to take jobs from “Danes.

                                    Seeing such quotes printed in a union magazine that we fund with our membership fees does a great disservice to the environments we organize and interact with every day. One cannot represent an organization like 3F — attempting to organize colleagues in these very communities — while at the same time
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                                    giving column space to discourses and narratives that are already widely spread by news outlets that are unsympathetic to our cause. It’s become tiresome, and we find ourselves today at a point where we must admit: we approach collaboration with our union magazine more cautiously. We’re aware of the objections this may provoke: “If we don’t dare face industry challenges, shouldn’t journalists be allowed to write what they want?”

                                    Yes, they should. And they can.
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                                      giving column space to discourses and narratives that are already widely spread by news outlets that are unsympathetic to our cause. It’s become tiresome, and we find ourselves today at a point where we must admit: we approach collaboration with our union magazine more cautiously. We’re aware of the objections this may provoke: “If we don’t dare face industry challenges, shouldn’t journalists be allowed to write what they want?”

                                      Yes, they should. And they can.
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                                      That’s why we have a diverse media landscape. But when Fagbladet 3F covers the labour market in a way you’d expect from BT, it doesn’t promote the kind of discussions that are vital for our members to have space for. This requires self-reflection before we can safely collaborate with our union magazine again — if they wish to write about our communities. Because we hesitate when we aren’t sure of the intentions behind the interest.
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                                        That’s why we have a diverse media landscape. But when Fagbladet 3F covers the labour market in a way you’d expect from BT, it doesn’t promote the kind of discussions that are vital for our members to have space for. This requires self-reflection before we can safely collaborate with our union magazine again — if they wish to write about our communities. Because we hesitate when we aren’t sure of the intentions behind the interest.
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                                        That should be made clear to us, so we can be honest with our colleagues about what is being written.

                                        We therefore choose, effective immediately, not to participate in interviews until we have seen a reckoning with the way they write about us.
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