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The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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  • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

    The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

    schmittlauch@toot.matereal.euS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #4

    @iFixit Additionally, even when we do not suggest that Bosch might abuse their powers (which they are still likely to do at some point), they can just break repairability of your bike out of pure indifference at some point when they shut down the pairing server infrastructure. When *they* say your bike components are EOL, your whole bike becomes EOL when even used parts cease to be usable for repair.
    ( @pluralistic of course knows this )

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    • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

      The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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      #5

      @iFixit wondering how the legislation criminalizing recommendation NOT to buy a Bosch #eBike will be framed.

      new learning process -- that the #brands once trusted are not owned/managed by people with the same principles as when the brands became popular -- they were bought into by sociopaths with the intention of exploiting that popularity as resource hence the #enshittification

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      • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

        The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

        thor@mast.ttk.isT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6

        @iFixit good thing then that the DMCA is not enforcable outside the United Shitholes of north America..

        nicovel0@mastodon.socialN livia@sciences.socialL schmittlauch@toot.matereal.euS 3 Replies Last reply
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        • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

          The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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          #7

          @iFixit "* app for * bike" does not need to be a part of a true sentence.

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          • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

            @iFixit good thing then that the DMCA is not enforcable outside the United Shitholes of north America..

            nicovel0@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @thor @iFixit no, but you can be sure Bosch and others will pressure other legislators to adopt something similar. For “safety” and “the economy”, of course. We must remain vigilant.

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            • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

              The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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              #9

              @iFixit Has anyone asked Bosch what they would do in a situation like the example given?

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              • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

                alef2050@livellosegreto.itA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #10

                @iFixit Cory Doctorow is my guide, a new hero.

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                • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                  The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                  #11

                  @iFixit hiya, I want to share this but the alt text is just the post text and doesn't convey the content of the video. It wouldn't need to be a full transcript but ought to reflect what you'd tell someone if you were summarizing. If you fix this I'll be happy to boost!

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                  • nicovel0@mastodon.socialN nicovel0@mastodon.social

                    @thor @iFixit no, but you can be sure Bosch and others will pressure other legislators to adopt something similar. For “safety” and “the economy”, of course. We must remain vigilant.

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                    #12

                    @Nicovel0 @iFixit In Europe that might be tough. Europe, unlike the US isn't a corporatocracy.

                    They will of course try. And it isn't like they haven't tried before. What does surprise me is that Bosch, being a German company - one would have thought they'd ethically stand above such immoralities - but then, BMW wanted a subscription fee for your paid-for car seat heater, so... 🤷‍♂️ boo knows...

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                    • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                      @iFixit good thing then that the DMCA is not enforcable outside the United Shitholes of north America..

                      livia@sciences.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #13

                      @thor technically, but thanks to free trade agreements it is: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet

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                      • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                        The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                        #14

                        @iFixit No more Bosch

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                        • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                          The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                          #15

                          @iFixit as an ebike user I do not agree. The option for this is awesome and long overdue. Bike theft is a real problem and if I have 3 computers on the bike that can be electronically locked, why should I not use this option?

                          My 9 year old Bosch bike already has a computer in the battery, in the motor and in the display unit. It has buttons, let me lock my property digitally!

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                          • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                            The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                            #16

                            @iFixit Very, very disappointing, considering Bosch generally used to be a pretty good company.

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                            • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                              @Nicovel0 @iFixit In Europe that might be tough. Europe, unlike the US isn't a corporatocracy.

                              They will of course try. And it isn't like they haven't tried before. What does surprise me is that Bosch, being a German company - one would have thought they'd ethically stand above such immoralities - but then, BMW wanted a subscription fee for your paid-for car seat heater, so... 🤷‍♂️ boo knows...

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                              #17

                              @thor @iFixit I don’t know about “ethical” and “company” going so well together. If it doesn’t affect their bottom line or is good PR, sure, they’ll be ethical. But if it does…

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                              • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                                The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                                #18

                                @iFixit I choose a Bosch e-bike instead of a VanMoof because the battery, etc were easily replaceable/repairable. So this OSS a disappointing move from Bosch #ebike

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                                • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                                  @iFixit good thing then that the DMCA is not enforcable outside the United Shitholes of north America..

                                  schmittlauch@toot.matereal.euS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #19

                                  @thor Almost all other regions got pressured by the US to pass equivalent laws during trade agreement talks. This effects the EEA as well. Also see https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet @iFixit

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                                  • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                                    The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                                    #20

                                    @iFixit I think you're missing several points, (a) the battery lock is opt-in and only on the paid subscription, (b) if, as in your example, the battery is stolen and taken to the police, an online database might help return the battery to the owner, (c) is there even an online DB? that design doesn't make sense because the bike would require internet access when the battery is attached, something which cannot be guaranteed.

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                                    • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                                      The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                                      #21

                                      @iFixit You definitively should use hashtags such as #Bosch or #Flow #FlowApp in order to let people discover that important toot about #ebikes.

                                      Avoid Bosch products!

                                      #enshittification #eBike #CES

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                                      • publicvoit@graz.socialP publicvoit@graz.social

                                        @iFixit You definitively should use hashtags such as #Bosch or #Flow #FlowApp in order to let people discover that important toot about #ebikes.

                                        Avoid Bosch products!

                                        #enshittification #eBike #CES

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                                        #22

                                        @publicvoit @iFixit you can use the bikes without ever using the app.

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                                        • schmittlauch@toot.matereal.euS schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu

                                          @thor Almost all other regions got pressured by the US to pass equivalent laws during trade agreement talks. This effects the EEA as well. Also see https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet @iFixit

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                                          #23

                                          @schmittlauch @iFixit as I said - they tried. Even little Iceland didn't bow down.

                                          Icelnadic copyright law:
                                          art. 11; An individual can copy a published copyrighted work (book, music, movie) for own use as long as there is no financial gain.

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