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  3. When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

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  • sloanlance@mastodon.socialS sloanlance@mastodon.social

    @passenger @danielaKay @kbm0 @futurebird
    Most multiplication tables go up to 12 × 12 regardless of regional measurement systems. There is nothing inherently special about 12 in the imperial system (or whatever non-metric is called). Most clocks go up to 12 and people often refer to dozens.

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    #155

    @sloanlance @passenger @danielaKay @kbm0 @futurebird there's definitely something special about 12 though - when you multiply a length, the inches part is capped at 12.

    I guess it's not "special" in that there are multiple other numbers with the equivalent property - you could justify memorizing times tables up to 16s if you expect to do more arithmetic in pounds and ounces than in feet and inches for example.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

      That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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      #156

      @futurebird It's instant, but followed instantly by me checking my math to make sure it's accurate.

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

        That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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        #157

        @futurebird : Well, in spite of my math minor, and a lifetime of computer worship, I have to admit that I was never able to *completely* memorize my multiplication tables. But I can usually remember most of them. 🙄

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

          That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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          #158

          @futurebird

          My parents promised me a reward if I learned the multiplication tables

          (I didn't got to primary school much, in hospital too often).

          I was thinking "maybe a bicycle".
          I got a bottle of Lucozade.

          But I still remember the tables, instantly, and the Lucozade.
          (English fizzy drink, supposedly healthy).

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

            That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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            #159

            @futurebird

            I wouldn’t be the first person to have memorized entire tables of multiplication.

            Computing it is easy enough, but hash look up still works

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

              That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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              #160

              @futurebird Oddly, perhaps, this is the last of the "multiplication table" I memorized (though that rote memory has eroded in later years). So, for me, it was "7x4x2" for most of my educational life.

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              • aesthr@wandering.shopA aesthr@wandering.shop

                @futurebird 6*7 is 42, which I have memorized like most of the multiplications up to 12*12.

                But 9*6 = 54 is one I can never remember on its own. I always go 8*6 and then add 6.

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                #161

                @aesthr @futurebird 6 * 9 = 42, though (in base 13)

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                  #162

                  @tknarr @futurebird We are a memoized multiplication function with a years-long cache preflighting performed in advance.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                    That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                    #163

                    @futurebird @StillIRise1963 I get 56 instantly and I voted that way but it’s worth noting that I did memorize the multiplication tables up through 12 at a very young age.

                    However beyond 12, I use different concepts of multiplication and addition and estimation to get the numbers.

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                      That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                      #164

                      @futurebird personally for good and fast muscle-memory outcome=derivation based on imprinted squares.
                      7*7=49 +7=50+(7-1) ==56

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                        That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                        #165

                        @futurebird I've multiplied the single-digit numbers so many times in my head that I get 56 instantly, but when I was a kid I had an easier time remembering that 7*7 = 49 or 7*9 = 63 and then either adding or subtracting.

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                          That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                          #166

                          @futurebird 7*2=14,14*2=28,28*2=40+(8*2=16)=56 is how I get there.

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                            #167

                            @jitterted

                            * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

                            * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

                            * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

                            * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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                            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                              When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                              That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                              #168

                              @futurebird usually instantly. When I'm having a bad day 8²-8 since squares are burnt into my brain for some reason (and within reason, magnitude-wise)

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                              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                @jitterted

                                * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

                                * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

                                * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

                                * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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                                #169

                                @futurebird @jitterted Being a football fan when I was a kid made 7 a very easy number for me to deal with.

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                                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                  When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                                  That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                                  #170

                                  @futurebird Six times seven is forty-two by association with Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy; add fourteen to that.

                                  (My dad used to always point out when we watched the HHGTTG TV series on Betamax that multiplying six by nine does not, in fact, make forty-two, and that actually six times seven does.)

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                                    That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                                    #171

                                    @futurebird I thought it was 4.

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                                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                      When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                                      That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                                      #172

                                      @futurebird memorized long time ago in a different language, so 7x8 is instant but "seven times eight" requires extra translation.

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                                        That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                                        #173

                                        @futurebird had to drill the multiplication table as a kid. Hated it, but as an adult it’s handy

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                                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                          @jitterted

                                          * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

                                          * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

                                          * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

                                          * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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                                          #174

                                          @jitterted@sfba.social @futurebird@sauropods.win

                                          7x8 no problem
                                          8x7 takes longer

                                          7x7 is always 49 so just add 7

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