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  3. Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    @NilaJones if you are looking for an exact phrase, I would put quotes around the whole thing. Also, did you notice "verbatim mode"? If quotes around entire phrase is not an exact phrase match, maybe the "verbatim" option is.

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    #45

    @mcc

    I did not see that, no! Thanks very much. Now if only it could be the default...

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    • nilajones@zeroes.caN nilajones@zeroes.ca

      @mcc

      I did not see that, no! Thanks very much. Now if only it could be the default...

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      #46

      @NilaJones it says here you can set it as the default https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/search.html

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      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

        Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

        And that sucks! I'm sorry. But I have to ask: If Google frustrates you… maybe switch away? There *are* no-AI alternatives!:

        - https://noai.duckduckgo.com

        - Kagi is an AI-infected search engine, but they offer a "custom CSS" feature (see next post) you can use to remove the AI.

        And *this* is the time to get out. Before Google takes the search you're used to away completely: https://aftermath.site/google-search-ai-changes/

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        #47

        @mcc I was a long term user of DuckDuckGo, and gave up on them with all the MSN news links. But it looks like they’ve fixed that.

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        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

          Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

          And that sucks! I'm sorry. But I have to ask: If Google frustrates you… maybe switch away? There *are* no-AI alternatives!:

          - https://noai.duckduckgo.com

          - Kagi is an AI-infected search engine, but they offer a "custom CSS" feature (see next post) you can use to remove the AI.

          And *this* is the time to get out. Before Google takes the search you're used to away completely: https://aftermath.site/google-search-ai-changes/

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          #48

          @mcc I tend to add https://github.com/iorate/ublacklist and some filters at https://github.com/rjaus/awesome-ublacklist

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          • boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io

            @mcc I fear that Google and Microsoft will eventually cut access to their indexes in order to force people into their "AI", and IIRC both Kagi and DDG are not doing their own indexing. (Again, IIRC; Kagi usess Google's index and DDG uses Microsoft's.)

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            #49

            @BoydStephenSmithJr @mcc Mojeek indexes independently. Haven't tried it though.

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            • nev@status.nevillepark.caN nev@status.nevillepark.ca

              @jdp23 @mcc @ireneista IIRC this is in line with findings on misinformation in general, that you don't generally remember where you learned a thing, and it is easier to accept than reject claims, so just being exposed to misinformation makes one more inclined to inadvertently internalize it

              edit:

              • this Vox article summarizes and links to several studies
              • more explanations (and examples) in this article at The Conversation
              • this Conversation article notes that "the fine details needed to debunk a myth are generally more complicated than the myth itself" and therefore harder to remember
              • see e. g. this 2009 paper arguing, basically, that easier-to-remember things are perceived as truer; this 2019 study on inducing false memories about Ireland's 2018 abortion referendum; or this 2024 study on repetition and climate-skeptic claims
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              #50

              @nev @jdp23 @mcc oooo thanks for following up with the citations! we should keep those handy

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              • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                @nev @jdp23 @mcc oooo thanks for following up with the citations! we should keep those handy

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                #51

                @ireneista @jdp23 @mcc caveat that i am not very knowledgeable about psychology and did not do a proper Review of the Literature, this is just the kind of stuff i've seen reported on in media

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                • ruchirasdatta@mathstodon.xyzR ruchirasdatta@mathstodon.xyz

                  @BoydStephenSmithJr @mcc Mojeek indexes independently. Haven't tried it though.

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                  #52

                  @RuchiraSDatta @BoydStephenSmithJr tried mojeek, it was the best of the "small" search engines I audited. Not quite on par with Google/kagi though and there was a box advertising its "AI" on every page

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                  • nev@status.nevillepark.caN nev@status.nevillepark.ca

                    @ireneista @jdp23 @mcc caveat that i am not very knowledgeable about psychology and did not do a proper Review of the Literature, this is just the kind of stuff i've seen reported on in media

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                    #53

                    @nev @jdp23 @mcc certainly. thank you.

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                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                      @NilaJones it says here you can set it as the default https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/search.html

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                      #54

                      @mcc

                      Thank you very much for all of this, this makes me willing to give it another try 😊

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                      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                        @RuchiraSDatta @BoydStephenSmithJr tried mojeek, it was the best of the "small" search engines I audited. Not quite on par with Google/kagi though and there was a box advertising its "AI" on every page

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                        #55

                        @mcc @BoydStephenSmithJr Thank you

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                        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                          Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

                          And that sucks! I'm sorry. But I have to ask: If Google frustrates you… maybe switch away? There *are* no-AI alternatives!:

                          - https://noai.duckduckgo.com

                          - Kagi is an AI-infected search engine, but they offer a "custom CSS" feature (see next post) you can use to remove the AI.

                          And *this* is the time to get out. Before Google takes the search you're used to away completely: https://aftermath.site/google-search-ai-changes/

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                          #56

                          @mcc A decentrilsed search engine. No AI, no tracking. No advertising. No javascript of any kind. Never pay for it. Anyone can setup their own "branch" and contribute. Why does this sound so much like the #Fediverse? I could use some help with the system I've building for over a year and with corporations selling us out, we can band together to take the internet back.


                          This is what the internet was BEFORE the corprite take over.

                          This is #TidySearch https://search.mpaq.org

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                          • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                            Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

                            And that sucks! I'm sorry. But I have to ask: If Google frustrates you… maybe switch away? There *are* no-AI alternatives!:

                            - https://noai.duckduckgo.com

                            - Kagi is an AI-infected search engine, but they offer a "custom CSS" feature (see next post) you can use to remove the AI.

                            And *this* is the time to get out. Before Google takes the search you're used to away completely: https://aftermath.site/google-search-ai-changes/

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                            #57

                            @mcc Seirdy has a good list of independent search engines. I don't know whether Kagi is fully independent at the moment or just wraps Google and Bing results like DDG. https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes/

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                            • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                              Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

                              And that sucks! I'm sorry. But I have to ask: If Google frustrates you… maybe switch away? There *are* no-AI alternatives!:

                              - https://noai.duckduckgo.com

                              - Kagi is an AI-infected search engine, but they offer a "custom CSS" feature (see next post) you can use to remove the AI.

                              And *this* is the time to get out. Before Google takes the search you're used to away completely: https://aftermath.site/google-search-ai-changes/

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                              #58

                              @mcc So, I did something recently that I've been exceptionally happy with... I set up a local, self-hosted instance of SearXNG. This lets me:

                              • Choose the engine that I want
                              • Aggregates answers from the search engines that I've chosen
                              • Avoids the AI BS
                              • Keeps me from being actively tracked by Google/Meta/etc.
                              • Avoids the issue that public SearXNG instances have with using too many API calls.
                              • Provides a boat load of additional options that I won't even start to talk about

                              And, it wasn't difficult to set up. All I had to do was map a port to my local system, and I have everything working.  It's amazing.

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                              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

                                And that sucks! I'm sorry. But I have to ask: If Google frustrates you… maybe switch away? There *are* no-AI alternatives!:

                                - https://noai.duckduckgo.com

                                - Kagi is an AI-infected search engine, but they offer a "custom CSS" feature (see next post) you can use to remove the AI.

                                And *this* is the time to get out. Before Google takes the search you're used to away completely: https://aftermath.site/google-search-ai-changes/

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                                #59

                                @mcc

                                Kagi is a paid service though, isn't it?

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                                • rvlara23@mastodon.socialR rvlara23@mastodon.social

                                  @mcc

                                  Kagi is a paid service though, isn't it?

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                                  #60

                                  @RVLara23 Yes

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                                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                    Sometimes I see people frustration-post screenshots of Google searches marred by Gemini AI banners.

                                    And that sucks! I'm sorry. But I have to ask: If Google frustrates you… maybe switch away? There *are* no-AI alternatives!:

                                    - https://noai.duckduckgo.com

                                    - Kagi is an AI-infected search engine, but they offer a "custom CSS" feature (see next post) you can use to remove the AI.

                                    And *this* is the time to get out. Before Google takes the search you're used to away completely: https://aftermath.site/google-search-ai-changes/

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                                    #61

                                    @mcc There are also other search engines that are popping up that are not AI-focused:

                                    swisscows.com
                                    mojeek.com
                                    startpage.com

                                    Worth checking those out if you're looking for google alternatives.

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                                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                      I really do believe people have a moral obligation to not expose themselves to GenAI outputs. We built a machine for making sentencelike blobs that look convincing but are peppered with lies. That is brain poison! Why assume you can soak your brain in poison without consequences?

                                      Like, if you're here, you left Twitter/"X", right? Would you tolerate it if the whole time you were talking to your friends, fascist propaganda were being inserted in the margins? So why tolerate the Gemini banner?

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                                      #62

                                      @mcc i know lots of people here who also use twitter...

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                                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                        @mcc i know lots of people here who also use twitter...

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                                        #63

                                        @whitequark @mcc and, I, for one, judge the shit out of them

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                                        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                          @f4grx What do you think of Startpage?

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                                          #64

                                          @mcc My turn, what do you think of Waterfox private search?

                                          https://search.waterfox.com/

                                          this one is not free.

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