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  • dan@axillae.telent.netD dan@axillae.telent.net

    @only_ohm @jaawerth @cstross @Nicovel0 yes, but it still doesn't define "virtual private network" itself, only the subset of VPNs that it considers relevant.

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    @dan @only_ohm @cstross @Nicovel0 the language is inexact so they can make it mean what they think it should, yeah. or more accurate they hope they'll figure it out later when stuff comes up. Like "provided to a significant number of persons" could mean literally anything, even if we could theorycraft what it probably means

    As for TOR, well, my guess is it qualifies but enforcing it is another question. Possible, but seems like it'd just be wack-a-mole

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    • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

      @Fonant @david_chisnall @cstross
      "We don't need to worry, because the govt will not be able to enforce it" is the counterpart to legislators who say "we don't need to put in detailed definitions & restrictions, because we trust police & prosecutors to use the powers responsibly".
      History has proven both are always true until they aren't.

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      @HighlandLawyer im not sure there is any other way, you always have to trust people to use their best judgement, and use systems of accountability to bring people into alignment with standards, _after_ the fact. I think thats true at several scales

      @Fonant @david_chisnall @cstross

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      • oschonrock@mastodon.socialO oschonrock@mastodon.social

        @cstross vpns have their place in corporate networks.

        There they provide secure access to internal resources for remote workers.

        They are all but useless for personal privacy / anonymity.

        So while I agree with the principle of your objection to govts gating services - it is actually a faux battle based on misinformation by the VPN industry.

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        @oschonrock @cstross Curious that the government would bother banning them, then.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          RE: https://social.vivaldi.net/@LonM/115966748145817371

          UK PEOPLE: this is REALLY IMPORTANT. If the government bans under-16s from using VPNs, then logically they must intend to REQUIRE AGE VERIFICATION FOR ALL VPN USE. Which will affect adults too!

          *Your* privacy and right to anonymous web browsing is at risk!

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          @cstross

          When did we get a right to anonymous web browsing exactly?

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