One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things.
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One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things. We are ceding that skill to AI.
"You don't understand, without AI, I couldn't have drawn this/written this/designed this." says a person, certain that surely this, this argument right here is the nail in the coffin of the anti-AI argument. Utility: "Without this thing, I would have been bad at this task."
Yes. Correct. You would have been bad at it. And that's ok. Not only because it's just... Ok to be bad at things in general. But also because being bad at a thing is the first necessary step to learning how to do a thing.
Every musician you love has spent thousands of hours first being bad at being a musician. Every artist that brings you to tears has spent thousands of hours being bad at art. Every single designer with a master's degree in design has spent thousands upon thousands of hours designing things that are utter crap.
We learn how to do a thing by first being bad at it. And then noticing what skills we need to acquire to be better at it. And then honing those skills on a million failed attempts. And THEN we are finally good at doing it.
And being bad at things isn't just about learning how to do it yourself. It also teaches you how to listen more effectively to music. How to see art with the eyes of an artist. How to study a design for design flaws before it's even built. It teaches you good taste. How to perceive the humanity in the things all around you - things built by humans, for other humans.
No, the biggest problem with AI isn't that it makes bad art - although it most assuredly does also do that. It's that it robs human beings of the legitimacy of creating bad art ourselves.
How can anyone ever be expected to learn to do a thing if we can't ever be bad at it first?
@Lana Well said!
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One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things. We are ceding that skill to AI.
"You don't understand, without AI, I couldn't have drawn this/written this/designed this." says a person, certain that surely this, this argument right here is the nail in the coffin of the anti-AI argument. Utility: "Without this thing, I would have been bad at this task."
Yes. Correct. You would have been bad at it. And that's ok. Not only because it's just... Ok to be bad at things in general. But also because being bad at a thing is the first necessary step to learning how to do a thing.
Every musician you love has spent thousands of hours first being bad at being a musician. Every artist that brings you to tears has spent thousands of hours being bad at art. Every single designer with a master's degree in design has spent thousands upon thousands of hours designing things that are utter crap.
We learn how to do a thing by first being bad at it. And then noticing what skills we need to acquire to be better at it. And then honing those skills on a million failed attempts. And THEN we are finally good at doing it.
And being bad at things isn't just about learning how to do it yourself. It also teaches you how to listen more effectively to music. How to see art with the eyes of an artist. How to study a design for design flaws before it's even built. It teaches you good taste. How to perceive the humanity in the things all around you - things built by humans, for other humans.
No, the biggest problem with AI isn't that it makes bad art - although it most assuredly does also do that. It's that it robs human beings of the legitimacy of creating bad art ourselves.
How can anyone ever be expected to learn to do a thing if we can't ever be bad at it first?
@Lana Here's the thing. I don't have to be good at everything that needs to be done. I only have to be good at deciding what those things that need to be done actually are.
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@JackMexa4 yes but the next generation also needs to be making bad art. Now.
Oh, yes, you are right.
I was sort of thinking aloud as a person who appreciates art made by people. -
One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things. We are ceding that skill to AI.
"You don't understand, without AI, I couldn't have drawn this/written this/designed this." says a person, certain that surely this, this argument right here is the nail in the coffin of the anti-AI argument. Utility: "Without this thing, I would have been bad at this task."
Yes. Correct. You would have been bad at it. And that's ok. Not only because it's just... Ok to be bad at things in general. But also because being bad at a thing is the first necessary step to learning how to do a thing.
Every musician you love has spent thousands of hours first being bad at being a musician. Every artist that brings you to tears has spent thousands of hours being bad at art. Every single designer with a master's degree in design has spent thousands upon thousands of hours designing things that are utter crap.
We learn how to do a thing by first being bad at it. And then noticing what skills we need to acquire to be better at it. And then honing those skills on a million failed attempts. And THEN we are finally good at doing it.
And being bad at things isn't just about learning how to do it yourself. It also teaches you how to listen more effectively to music. How to see art with the eyes of an artist. How to study a design for design flaws before it's even built. It teaches you good taste. How to perceive the humanity in the things all around you - things built by humans, for other humans.
No, the biggest problem with AI isn't that it makes bad art - although it most assuredly does also do that. It's that it robs human beings of the legitimacy of creating bad art ourselves.
How can anyone ever be expected to learn to do a thing if we can't ever be bad at it first?
@Lana German me squints and says 'You're still bad at it tho'
I don't know anyone who has the privilege and personality to be unabashedly bad at things. It's not like LLMs invented that.
What we should invent is doing things because doing them is worthwhile to us, not because we expect to one day become "good" at them. Yeah, some things we need professionals for, but most things are fine if they're a bit wonky.
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@Lana Here's the thing. I don't have to be good at everything that needs to be done. I only have to be good at deciding what those things that need to be done actually are.
@AinsleyLowbeer You can't prompt your way to quality.
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One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things. We are ceding that skill to AI.
"You don't understand, without AI, I couldn't have drawn this/written this/designed this." says a person, certain that surely this, this argument right here is the nail in the coffin of the anti-AI argument. Utility: "Without this thing, I would have been bad at this task."
Yes. Correct. You would have been bad at it. And that's ok. Not only because it's just... Ok to be bad at things in general. But also because being bad at a thing is the first necessary step to learning how to do a thing.
Every musician you love has spent thousands of hours first being bad at being a musician. Every artist that brings you to tears has spent thousands of hours being bad at art. Every single designer with a master's degree in design has spent thousands upon thousands of hours designing things that are utter crap.
We learn how to do a thing by first being bad at it. And then noticing what skills we need to acquire to be better at it. And then honing those skills on a million failed attempts. And THEN we are finally good at doing it.
And being bad at things isn't just about learning how to do it yourself. It also teaches you how to listen more effectively to music. How to see art with the eyes of an artist. How to study a design for design flaws before it's even built. It teaches you good taste. How to perceive the humanity in the things all around you - things built by humans, for other humans.
No, the biggest problem with AI isn't that it makes bad art - although it most assuredly does also do that. It's that it robs human beings of the legitimacy of creating bad art ourselves.
How can anyone ever be expected to learn to do a thing if we can't ever be bad at it first?
@Lana
"It teaches you how to listen more effectively to music..."
Yes! This!
I played violin when I was in school. Not very good at it. I was the only senior still in the second violin section with the freshmen. But it was fun and interesting to hear from the inside how an orchestra piece came together. For the rest of my life, I listen to music as if hearing it from the inside, and enjoy it more fully as a result, even if I never played violin as an adult. -
@AinsleyLowbeer You can't prompt your way to quality.
@AinsleyLowbeer You think "I know good art when I see it" but you could never sit there and tell Picasso how to come up with the art he made, no matter how much art you had looked at previously. Because, in reality, you don't know shit about how good art is actually achieved if you've just looked at the end result.
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One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things. We are ceding that skill to AI.
"You don't understand, without AI, I couldn't have drawn this/written this/designed this." says a person, certain that surely this, this argument right here is the nail in the coffin of the anti-AI argument. Utility: "Without this thing, I would have been bad at this task."
Yes. Correct. You would have been bad at it. And that's ok. Not only because it's just... Ok to be bad at things in general. But also because being bad at a thing is the first necessary step to learning how to do a thing.
Every musician you love has spent thousands of hours first being bad at being a musician. Every artist that brings you to tears has spent thousands of hours being bad at art. Every single designer with a master's degree in design has spent thousands upon thousands of hours designing things that are utter crap.
We learn how to do a thing by first being bad at it. And then noticing what skills we need to acquire to be better at it. And then honing those skills on a million failed attempts. And THEN we are finally good at doing it.
And being bad at things isn't just about learning how to do it yourself. It also teaches you how to listen more effectively to music. How to see art with the eyes of an artist. How to study a design for design flaws before it's even built. It teaches you good taste. How to perceive the humanity in the things all around you - things built by humans, for other humans.
No, the biggest problem with AI isn't that it makes bad art - although it most assuredly does also do that. It's that it robs human beings of the legitimacy of creating bad art ourselves.
How can anyone ever be expected to learn to do a thing if we can't ever be bad at it first?
@Lana Also being allowed to say "I don't know"
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@Lana Here's the thing. I don't have to be good at everything that needs to be done. I only have to be good at deciding what those things that need to be done actually are.
@AinsleyLowbeer hey you know what makes you good at that?
Being bad at that first.
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@Lana German me squints and says 'You're still bad at it tho'
I don't know anyone who has the privilege and personality to be unabashedly bad at things. It's not like LLMs invented that.
What we should invent is doing things because doing them is worthwhile to us, not because we expect to one day become "good" at them. Yeah, some things we need professionals for, but most things are fine if they're a bit wonky.
@zombiecide "I don't know anyone who has the privilege and personality to be unabashedly bad at things."
This is literally false.
Again, EVERY person who makes art, music, dance, code, design, etc... ALL those people that you like, were unabashedly bad at it first. EVERY single one. The fact that you think that never happens is exactly what AI has stolen from you.
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One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things. We are ceding that skill to AI.
"You don't understand, without AI, I couldn't have drawn this/written this/designed this." says a person, certain that surely this, this argument right here is the nail in the coffin of the anti-AI argument. Utility: "Without this thing, I would have been bad at this task."
Yes. Correct. You would have been bad at it. And that's ok. Not only because it's just... Ok to be bad at things in general. But also because being bad at a thing is the first necessary step to learning how to do a thing.
Every musician you love has spent thousands of hours first being bad at being a musician. Every artist that brings you to tears has spent thousands of hours being bad at art. Every single designer with a master's degree in design has spent thousands upon thousands of hours designing things that are utter crap.
We learn how to do a thing by first being bad at it. And then noticing what skills we need to acquire to be better at it. And then honing those skills on a million failed attempts. And THEN we are finally good at doing it.
And being bad at things isn't just about learning how to do it yourself. It also teaches you how to listen more effectively to music. How to see art with the eyes of an artist. How to study a design for design flaws before it's even built. It teaches you good taste. How to perceive the humanity in the things all around you - things built by humans, for other humans.
No, the biggest problem with AI isn't that it makes bad art - although it most assuredly does also do that. It's that it robs human beings of the legitimacy of creating bad art ourselves.
How can anyone ever be expected to learn to do a thing if we can't ever be bad at it first?
@Lana @sundogplanets I did not realize this before. But this is very true. And it's not about AI. It's about society.
These days I see a lot of
"Why do you pick up a guitar and play when you are not half as good as the guy on this youtube video? Let's watch the video instead!" -
@Lana Also being allowed to say "I don't know"
@fullywoolly THIS.
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@Lana @sundogplanets I did not realize this before. But this is very true. And it's not about AI. It's about society.
These days I see a lot of
"Why do you pick up a guitar and play when you are not half as good as the guy on this youtube video? Let's watch the video instead!"@et @sundogplanets that makes me so sad
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@AinsleyLowbeer hey you know what makes you good at that?
Being bad at that first.
I don't have to know how to shoot the cannon to tell the crew, "put fire on that hill, as much fire as possible."
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One thing that keeps me up at night is the progressive certainty that we as a society are slowly but surely losing our ability to be bad at things. We are ceding that skill to AI.
"You don't understand, without AI, I couldn't have drawn this/written this/designed this." says a person, certain that surely this, this argument right here is the nail in the coffin of the anti-AI argument. Utility: "Without this thing, I would have been bad at this task."
Yes. Correct. You would have been bad at it. And that's ok. Not only because it's just... Ok to be bad at things in general. But also because being bad at a thing is the first necessary step to learning how to do a thing.
Every musician you love has spent thousands of hours first being bad at being a musician. Every artist that brings you to tears has spent thousands of hours being bad at art. Every single designer with a master's degree in design has spent thousands upon thousands of hours designing things that are utter crap.
We learn how to do a thing by first being bad at it. And then noticing what skills we need to acquire to be better at it. And then honing those skills on a million failed attempts. And THEN we are finally good at doing it.
And being bad at things isn't just about learning how to do it yourself. It also teaches you how to listen more effectively to music. How to see art with the eyes of an artist. How to study a design for design flaws before it's even built. It teaches you good taste. How to perceive the humanity in the things all around you - things built by humans, for other humans.
No, the biggest problem with AI isn't that it makes bad art - although it most assuredly does also do that. It's that it robs human beings of the legitimacy of creating bad art ourselves.
How can anyone ever be expected to learn to do a thing if we can't ever be bad at it first?
@Lana So how many musicians do you follow and support who aren't good? How often do you offer your visibility with 6k+ followers to give unknown authors and artists a chance of gaining an audience, and how many of your followers would like it to get spammed with bad content?
It's still capitalism. Less than 1% of artists or authors ever got enough money to live from this.
Serious question. Because I am one of those authors who are currently giving up. Nobody misses it.
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@Lana So how many musicians do you follow and support who aren't good? How often do you offer your visibility with 6k+ followers to give unknown authors and artists a chance of gaining an audience, and how many of your followers would like it to get spammed with bad content?
It's still capitalism. Less than 1% of artists or authors ever got enough money to live from this.
Serious question. Because I am one of those authors who are currently giving up. Nobody misses it.
@cyris @Lana
I am a small artist, comic artist, and an indie author and people have slowly started to follow me because my first thought is not about going viral. It isn't even tenth on my list.I do these things because I am passionate about them and I want to grow and be better at them with each piece I create - that is the thing that draws people in. The passion, the drive.
I have seen people get big following with stick figures and doodles, and unrefined stories because of their passion.
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@cyris @Lana
I am a small artist, comic artist, and an indie author and people have slowly started to follow me because my first thought is not about going viral. It isn't even tenth on my list.I do these things because I am passionate about them and I want to grow and be better at them with each piece I create - that is the thing that draws people in. The passion, the drive.
I have seen people get big following with stick figures and doodles, and unrefined stories because of their passion.
@hiisikoloart @Lana Yeah, visual art can at least give you a LITTLE bit of attention over time, because people can consume it with one glance.
That's not the case for words and reading.
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@cyris @Lana
I am a small artist, comic artist, and an indie author and people have slowly started to follow me because my first thought is not about going viral. It isn't even tenth on my list.I do these things because I am passionate about them and I want to grow and be better at them with each piece I create - that is the thing that draws people in. The passion, the drive.
I have seen people get big following with stick figures and doodles, and unrefined stories because of their passion.
@cyris @Lana
When I moved from doing these things as a hobby and started to share them to others, I wasn't seeking an audience. I just wanted to share them with likeminded people. No matketing strategies, just fun.And now that it is a business, my goal is still to do it because I love it and sharing that love to others and that resonates more than selling a product.
People don't want AI, they want to connect with the art, the story, the growth of a person.
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@cyris @Lana
When I moved from doing these things as a hobby and started to share them to others, I wasn't seeking an audience. I just wanted to share them with likeminded people. No matketing strategies, just fun.And now that it is a business, my goal is still to do it because I love it and sharing that love to others and that resonates more than selling a product.
People don't want AI, they want to connect with the art, the story, the growth of a person.
@cyris @Lana
When instagram was still not sloppified, I followed an artist who made their doodles on their phone. Super unrefined but each piece came from the clear need to create.Another made stick figure sketches of comics and quickly gained following because of consistency and passion.
I've followed small indies since I was 20, and they followed me back because passion recognizes passion. I foreged friendships and community that wants to support me back.
Don't stop making art. It matters
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@cyris @Lana
When I moved from doing these things as a hobby and started to share them to others, I wasn't seeking an audience. I just wanted to share them with likeminded people. No matketing strategies, just fun.And now that it is a business, my goal is still to do it because I love it and sharing that love to others and that resonates more than selling a product.
People don't want AI, they want to connect with the art, the story, the growth of a person.
@hiisikoloart @Lana Oh, I have been doing that as a hobby, just for others, just to connect, without making any money from it, and with my passion, and with all my free time.
And still having an image boosted by a big account that fits into one post will be much more successfull than trying to get that same big account share a post with a link to a website where they'd have to read a story with 6k words.
I've even started to cut my stories into easy-to-read 1k-parts and still it's too much.
