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  3. HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

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  • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

    @dysfun Care to elaborate?

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    #17

    @behdad @dysfun Is that a rhetorical question?

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    • aburka@hachyderm.ioA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #18

      @dysfun @behdad with what?

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      • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

        @dysfun Care to elaborate?

        julianh@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        #19

        @behdad @dysfun have you enclosed yourself in a rock with monkeys on typewriters, tech bros, and Elon Musk for the last ten years?

        Asking this question is the equivalent to shitting on sometimes lawn and asking the neighbors to elaborate when they ask you to stop shitting on their lawn.

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        • julianh@mas.toJ julianh@mas.to

          @behdad @dysfun have you enclosed yourself in a rock with monkeys on typewriters, tech bros, and Elon Musk for the last ten years?

          Asking this question is the equivalent to shitting on sometimes lawn and asking the neighbors to elaborate when they ask you to stop shitting on their lawn.

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          #20

          @behdad @dysfun in case you need a list:
          Energy use.
          Forceful integration of ai by large companies who often steal copywrited/licensed material and scrape data in bad faith (such as ignoring robots.txt).
          Major vulnerabilities and issues in software supposedly written by AI (see: Windows 11).
          The lack of legislation making it unclear if AI generated material is compatible with code licenses.
          I could go on.

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          • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

            HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

            I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

            https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

            isurandil@mastodon.onlineI This user is from outside of this forum
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            #21

            @behdad "Claude & Codex"? It's not yet April 1, is it?

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            • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

              HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

              I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

              https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

              barubary@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #22

              @behdad Thanks for the warning.

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                @iorsh @dysfun @behdad My preference at this point would be to go back to Harfbuzz 12, fork from there, and resume requiring contributors to agree to a DCO that affirms they did not use LLMs

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                #23

                @mcc @dysfun @behdad
                That's an interesting approach. I admit I'm a bit cynical here, as I myself just started to use it quite extensively after a long period of scepticism. But at least forking is somehow practical.

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                • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                  HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                  I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                  https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                  a1ba@suya.placeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #24
                  @behdad
                  maybe that's good that I don't need harfbuzz rendering with languages I know.
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                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                    @iorsh @dysfun @behdad My preference at this point would be to go back to Harfbuzz 12, fork from there, and resume requiring contributors to agree to a DCO that affirms they did not use LLMs

                    jlink@det.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #25

                    @mcc @iorsh @dysfun @behdad Maybe we should agree on a common naming scheme and strategy for forking non-ai branches of projects. This way it would be easy to check if there’s a related non-ai project. In addition there should be a „nonai“ TLD so that domain-based package names are obvious as well.

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                    • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                      HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                      I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                      https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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                      #26

                      @behdad maybe you should've renamed it to SlopBuzz first

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                      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #27

                        @dysfun @behdad

                        Does HarfBuzz parse things like the hinting tables in fonts? That’s traditionally been a source of a lot of security vulnerabilities and I wouldn’t be surprised if 90% of the things in the training set have vulnerabilities.

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                        • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                          HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                          I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                          https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                          ariadne@social.treehouse.systemsA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #28

                          @behdad are those contributions actually legal?

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                          • jlink@det.socialJ jlink@det.social

                            @mcc @iorsh @dysfun @behdad Maybe we should agree on a common naming scheme and strategy for forking non-ai branches of projects. This way it would be easy to check if there’s a related non-ai project. In addition there should be a „nonai“ TLD so that domain-based package names are obvious as well.

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                            #29

                            @jlink @mcc @iorsh @dysfun @behdad AI bros would start falsely labelling their slop with it as soon as it caught on, because a lot of them are motivated by spite.

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                            • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                              HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                              I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                              https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

                              soc@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #30

                              @behdad 🤮

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                              • jlink@det.socialJ jlink@det.social

                                @mcc @iorsh @dysfun @behdad Maybe we should agree on a common naming scheme and strategy for forking non-ai branches of projects. This way it would be easy to check if there’s a related non-ai project. In addition there should be a „nonai“ TLD so that domain-based package names are obvious as well.

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                                #31

                                @jlink @iorsh @dysfun One problem with this approach is it normalizes randomly generated code as the ordinary thing, and code written by humans as the exception. Wouldn't it make more sense to have big mandatory warning labels on anything created by the planet-boiling plagiarism machine?

                                I do agree there should be some kind of organized process for creating forks, though.

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                                • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                                  HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                                  I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                                  https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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                                  #32

                                  @behdad it’s disappointing people are meeting your honesty about useful contributions with all this negative energy, but I hope you can put it aside as the dysfunctions of social media and not take it on as a judgement of the good faith work you are doing

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                                  • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                                    HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                                    I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                                    https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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                                    #33

                                    Congratulations, your license is now invalid
                                    @behdad

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                                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                      @jlink @iorsh @dysfun One problem with this approach is it normalizes randomly generated code as the ordinary thing, and code written by humans as the exception. Wouldn't it make more sense to have big mandatory warning labels on anything created by the planet-boiling plagiarism machine?

                                      I do agree there should be some kind of organized process for creating forks, though.

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                                      #34

                                      @mcc @iorsh @dysfun What can we control? I cannot force anyone to make warning labels, but I can choose the namespace I attach to something I fork.

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                                      • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                                        HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                                        I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                                        https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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                                        #35

                                        @behdad That's incredibly disappointing to hear.

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                                        • a1ba@suya.placeA a1ba@suya.place
                                          @behdad
                                          maybe that's good that I don't need harfbuzz rendering with languages I know.
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                                          #36

                                          @a1ba @behdad You need a shaper for any language, even ones you know. Odds are in my favor that you composed that toot in something that shapes English with Harbuzz.

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