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  3. HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

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  • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

    HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

    I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

    https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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    • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

      @splendorr @ianbicking As I said, community is welcome to fork. Forking is an ethical solution to concerns like this.

      That said, I researched downstream projects: Debian, Mozilla, GNOME, Fedora, a bunch others, and the way I use LLM's is compatible with their policies.

      Also fortunately, text *shaping* in HarfBuzz is super stable and doesn't change often. A fork of that is very feasible for distros that absolutely can't ship this.

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      #50

      @behdad @splendorr @ianbicking I noticed that a hallucination made it into a commit and had to be fixed in a later one. Is that something to be concerned about?

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      • jaredwhite@indieweb.socialJ jaredwhite@indieweb.social

        @ianbicking @behdad Unlike 👎

        It's actually *positive energy* to care about ethics, my dude.

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        #51

        @jaredwhite @ianbicking @behdad Why call out the Harfbuzz maintainers specifically? Criticising LLMs in general is perfectly okay, but I don’t see a reason to single out the maintainers of a single project. My understanding is that Harfbuzz has only two major developers, yet it is responsible for text rendering in every major open source project except Wine.

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        • julianh@mas.toJ julianh@mas.to

          @behdad @dysfun in case you need a list:
          Energy use.
          Forceful integration of ai by large companies who often steal copywrited/licensed material and scrape data in bad faith (such as ignoring robots.txt).
          Major vulnerabilities and issues in software supposedly written by AI (see: Windows 11).
          The lack of legislation making it unclear if AI generated material is compatible with code licenses.
          I could go on.

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          #52

          @julianh @behdad @dysfun Let's go on. LLMs are inherently a fascist technology created for explicit fascist purposes and backed by fascist billionaires. (One of the largest backers of it called Marinetti their patron saint.) It is extremely well suited to centralizing authority, eliminating checks on that authority and advancing an anti-science agenda. It furthers creating an alternative reality which is absolutely necessary for fascism to thrive.

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          • A alwayscurious@infosec.exchange

            @jaredwhite @ianbicking @behdad Why call out the Harfbuzz maintainers specifically? Criticising LLMs in general is perfectly okay, but I don’t see a reason to single out the maintainers of a single project. My understanding is that Harfbuzz has only two major developers, yet it is responsible for text rendering in every major open source project except Wine.

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            #53

            @alwayscurious in case you're missing some context: https://social.coop/@cwebber/116177118662417791

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            • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

              HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

              I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

              https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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              #54
              @behdad@typo.social Why do you hate free software?
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              • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                @splendorr @ianbicking As I said, community is welcome to fork. Forking is an ethical solution to concerns like this.

                That said, I researched downstream projects: Debian, Mozilla, GNOME, Fedora, a bunch others, and the way I use LLM's is compatible with their policies.

                Also fortunately, text *shaping* in HarfBuzz is super stable and doesn't change often. A fork of that is very feasible for distros that absolutely can't ship this.

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                #55

                @behdad@typo.social @splendorr@mastodon.social @ianbicking@hachyderm.io worth noting that GNOME doesn’t have a project-wide policy on this.

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                • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                  HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                  I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                  https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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                  #56

                  @behdad please, reconsider this. These are not essential features and they are going to fragment an eco-system that you worked on for years.

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                  • rosetta@mastodon.designR rosetta@mastodon.design

                    @behdad please, reconsider this. These are not essential features and they are going to fragment an eco-system that you worked on for years.

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                    #57

                    @rosetta @behdad Huh?

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                    • rosetta@mastodon.designR rosetta@mastodon.design

                      @behdad please, reconsider this. These are not essential features and they are going to fragment an eco-system that you worked on for years.

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                      #58

                      @rosetta @behdad You know there's already a hb_draw api and has been for years, right?

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                      • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                        HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                        I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                        https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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                        #59

                        @behdad Gawd

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                        • behdad@typo.socialB behdad@typo.social

                          HarfBuzz 13.0.0 released with new experimental features: `hb-vector` for vector output of glyph outlines to SVG and `hb-raster` for rasterizing glyphs to A8 / BGRA32 images, among other features.

                          I would like to welcome our new contributors: Claude & Codex, without whom these new features would not have been possible.

                          https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz/releases/tag/13.0.0

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                          @behdad lots of people are upset with you using llms for this and you have an easy/painless chance to do something about that..

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