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When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven.

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  • lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.orgL lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org

    @petergleick Unfortunately, vast numbers of homeowners have been badly burned by various solar firms, and changes in rules for utility power by-backs have done even more damage. The California home solar industry is viewed by many neutral observers as essentially nearly dead.

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    @lauren @petergleick

    Is that really a bad sign? Given the cost advantage of larger scale PV compared to rooftop PV, it's not not obviously great when rooftop PV is financially attractive.

    It implies that either the large scale PV is bottlenecked, or rooftop solar benefits from some pricing loophole

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    • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

      When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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      @petergleick That’s impressive

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      • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

        When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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        @petergleick

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        • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

          When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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          #8

          @petergleick We installed 6.5kw panels and 9kw battery and expected payback is down from 8 to 6 years. Battery storage is a massive benefit if you can afford it as it allows us the best part of year free electric as we moved from gas cooker to electricity. In summer months air con is run pretty much free and even In winter we see battery levels of 20-30%.

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          • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

            When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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            @petergleick
            I think it was the battery we got with our solar that realised the biggest cash saving. As a combination of accessing better value tariffs and shifting time-of-use.

            Similar to you, our payback has probably been half the prediction.

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            • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

              When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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              @petergleick Same here.
              Calculated ten year break even, happened in seven. The main factor was increasing power prices. The prices went up fast enough to compensate for the decrease in value of excess solar export.

              Unfortunately for others, I suspect that was the sweet spot, and such gains would be harder to achieve on new systems.

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              • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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                @petergleick Breakeven was crossed in year seven, but as importantly, energy price independence was achieved from year zero! At least to whatever degree your system was provisioned at.

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                • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                  When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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                  @petergleick that's a win

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                  • lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.orgL lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org

                    @petergleick Unfortunately, vast numbers of homeowners have been badly burned by various solar firms, and changes in rules for utility power by-backs have done even more damage. The California home solar industry is viewed by many neutral observers as essentially nearly dead.

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                    @lauren @petergleick
                    We don't sell to grid at all as that needs:
                    * More expensive electronics.
                    * Certified installer.
                    * Smart Meter and Direct Debit. We have a mechanical meter & pay cash at P.O. when bill (posted) is due.

                    So ours is a pair of DIY UPS systems. Most non-heat/non-cooking gear is on it 24x7. Batteries charge from Solar or Grid. Set to 80% in in Dec/Jan and 15% minimum spring to autumn.
                    Electricity bill nearly 1/2.
                    Indefinite backup summer, 12 hours in Dec/Jan during power cuts.

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                    • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                      When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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                      @petergleick when, having solar and batteries, I bought an EV which I charge at home, my total electricity bill went down even in mid Winter as I can charge the solar batteries at night in cheap rate.

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                      • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                        When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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                        @petergleick
                        And you know what's best:
                        Breakeven for the planet is on Day 1 🥳

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                        • petergleick@fediscience.orgP petergleick@fediscience.org

                          When we got solar panels for our house, the estimate was 13 years to breakeven. We broke even in 7 years, partly due to excellent electricity production from the panels and higher than expected electricity prices. Solar's a win-win!

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                          @petergleick
                          We put in a 16KW hybrid system last year. Our break even estimate is 9 years though I think it will end up being faster.

                          But the best part is being able to ignore the almost daily blackouts that go with living in the Philippines with its useless power companies.

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