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  • epicdemiologist@wandering.shopE epicdemiologist@wandering.shop

    @baishen @futurebird Similarly, "I'd die for you"-- "You realize you just said I'd be better off if you were dead, right?"

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    #93

    @epicdemiologist @baishen

    A failure to process the concept of "you" as another entire person and not a "precious object."

    😕

    It's bad.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      @Karen5Lund @Nerts

      This is how I have created many new ant fans just by standing with my camera with its huge lens intensely focused on a sidewalk crack. Someone will just join me staring at the crack then after a bit ask "what are we looking at?"

      "ants!"

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      #94

      @Karen5Lund @Nerts

      I guess they maybe thought there was a broadway show in there or something. LMAO.

      (but, in a way, there is a broadway show in the sidewalk crack. Ant drama is high drama.)

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

        I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

        I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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        #95

        @futurebird Garbage collector is a job with lots of hazards, and they deal with angry idiots all the time. They absolutely earn those wages

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

          I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

          I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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          #96

          @futurebird hi I was in an adjacent industry for some years

          TRASH IS FUCKING DANGEROUS. It's not just that there could be sharps, there definitely ARE sharps. There are pressurized cannisters and car batteries and gas cans improperly disposed of. There are live animals with diseases. There's heavy shit and gross shit and actual shit shit. Illegal shit and shit packed so it moves unexpectedly and could collapse. Falling shit and flying shit. The second guy is there to save the first guy's life.

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

            I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

            I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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            #97

            @futurebird Hmm. The person who complained has: 1. Never emptied other people's garbage 2. Has never driven a commercial truck in narrow alleys or city traffic.
            My wife used to drive a tractor trailer (53 feet) in NYC to deliver pallets of food. And had to navigate between park cars, unaware foot traffic, speeding cyclists, and angry drivers trying to block her or unsafely cut her off.
            Since she drove alone, she had to take chances without any help when trying to back up or turn or get into/out of driveways. The city is not for faint-hearted inexperienced drivers. Commercial drivers get a premium to deliver in NY because it's not designed for commercial traffic, and well, because of impatient aggressive New Yorkers. Boston is as bad, with tiny winding streets and lots of Massholes.
            After that person's car gets smashed or sideswiped by a one-person city garbage truck with one person, tell them "you got what you wished for, and don't you dare sue the city and raise our taxes."

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            • pattykimura@beige.partyP pattykimura@beige.party

              @futurebird Hmm. The person who complained has: 1. Never emptied other people's garbage 2. Has never driven a commercial truck in narrow alleys or city traffic.
              My wife used to drive a tractor trailer (53 feet) in NYC to deliver pallets of food. And had to navigate between park cars, unaware foot traffic, speeding cyclists, and angry drivers trying to block her or unsafely cut her off.
              Since she drove alone, she had to take chances without any help when trying to back up or turn or get into/out of driveways. The city is not for faint-hearted inexperienced drivers. Commercial drivers get a premium to deliver in NY because it's not designed for commercial traffic, and well, because of impatient aggressive New Yorkers. Boston is as bad, with tiny winding streets and lots of Massholes.
              After that person's car gets smashed or sideswiped by a one-person city garbage truck with one person, tell them "you got what you wished for, and don't you dare sue the city and raise our taxes."

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              #98

              @pattykimura

              "impatient aggressive New Yorkers" I can't imagine what would give people this impression. LMAO.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                @alda

                I know. It's such a difficult job and this fun time we are all having living in a dense city just would not happen without this work. I guess I wish more people took that seriously. Especially because people die and are badly injured just trying to make it all happen.

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                #99

                @futurebird @alda In Paris the sanitation workers strike regularly just to make sure everyone remembers.

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  @Karen5Lund @Nerts

                  I guess they maybe thought there was a broadway show in there or something. LMAO.

                  (but, in a way, there is a broadway show in the sidewalk crack. Ant drama is high drama.)

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                  #100

                  @futurebird @Karen5Lund @Nerts

                  Passerby: "Why are you looking at those?"

                  Myrmepropagandist: "Cause I'm an ANT FAN! 𝅘𝅥𝅮 Ski-Ba-Bop-Ba-Dop-Bop... 𝅘𝅥𝅮 "
                  [ parody of Scatman John's work, earnestly detailing the fascinating qualities of family Formicidae, continues for 5 minutes and 11 seconds ]

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

                    I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

                    I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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                    #101

                    @futurebird

                    I happened to be out on the road when our garbage truck came by.

                    I said "hi" and he immediately concluded that I had gone over to complain about something.

                    I said "no, I was just thinking about how tough your job is now, there used to be a driver and someone on the back picking up the garbage/recycling".

                    They'd cut it down to one guy who had to stop the truck, climb out, go round the back, collect the stuff, get back in the cab, drive down to the next house, repeat.

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

                      I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

                      I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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                      #102

                      @futurebird i think in Germany most garbage trucks are manned by three persons. One drives the others get the trashcans and mount them on the truck for emptying. Very efficient.

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

                        I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

                        I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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                        #103

                        @futurebird
                        Every Christmas I get the garbage guys a card and a coffee card as thanks for their service. I couldn’t live without the garbage man!

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

                          I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

                          I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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                          #104

                          @futurebird

                          There's this thing that happens where people are riled up by perceived injustice. Then this anger blinds them.

                          Take benefit fraud. An absolute devil worshipper level evil according to the uk press. A frenzie of hate. Yet look at the consequences of a handful of people in your local town getting a few extra bob they "weren't supposed to"... your town has more people spending money.

                          Compared to the profligate fraud of billionaires where our money disappears into tax havens.

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            How have so many people been trained to think like they are private equity managers who just want to cut every job, anything that makes middle class people exist?

                            And this comment had a bunch of likes ... none of the people getting mad about this really are private equity managers. They won't get rich. But the sight of people with "cushy" (livable, decent) jobs just makes them mad?

                            It's so depressing.

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                            @futurebird I'm astonished how often I hear people complain about the laziness of people who are visibly working hard right in front of them.

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                            • doctormo@floss.socialD doctormo@floss.social

                              @futurebird

                              There's this thing that happens where people are riled up by perceived injustice. Then this anger blinds them.

                              Take benefit fraud. An absolute devil worshipper level evil according to the uk press. A frenzie of hate. Yet look at the consequences of a handful of people in your local town getting a few extra bob they "weren't supposed to"... your town has more people spending money.

                              Compared to the profligate fraud of billionaires where our money disappears into tax havens.

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                              @doctormo

                              At some point I really wonder... if it's so "easy" to do those jobs or get "extra" benefits or be poor...

                              My brother in christ, then, why oh why don't you just go and *live* that life? Go on! Take the advantages. I will not judge you for it. I want you to succeed. Have at it. What is stopping you?

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                              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

                                I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

                                I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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                                #107

                                @futurebird we only get one sanitation specialist for most trucks.

                                Back in the day there would be three burly guys

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                                • ericlawton@kolektiva.socialE ericlawton@kolektiva.social

                                  @futurebird

                                  I happened to be out on the road when our garbage truck came by.

                                  I said "hi" and he immediately concluded that I had gone over to complain about something.

                                  I said "no, I was just thinking about how tough your job is now, there used to be a driver and someone on the back picking up the garbage/recycling".

                                  They'd cut it down to one guy who had to stop the truck, climb out, go round the back, collect the stuff, get back in the cab, drive down to the next house, repeat.

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                                  @EricLawton @futurebird

                                  Obviously a system based on having an endless stream of disposable workers.

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.

                                    Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?

                                    How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?

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                                    #109

                                    @futurebird Do you remember the NYC garbage strike? To this day it blows my mind that “nobody” learned any lessons from that very powerful action.

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                                    • billiglarper@rollenspiel.socialB billiglarper@rollenspiel.social

                                      @futurebird

                                      It's absolutely depressing.

                                      Perhaps they are projecting? The want to take advantage of others, so they see others taking advantage of them all the time? Pehaps reinforced by their own unhappyness in life? Like they think they would be "deserving" of more status, but "they" are keeping them down?

                                      And it's doubly frustrating by how stupid it is. A driver and a collector is the bare minimum to be efficient. Anybody who has seen the speed at wich they work should know this.

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                                      #110

                                      @billiglarper @futurebird
                                      We have single operators most trucks here, city trucks. And the guys (it’s always guys) are rushed and are often seen driving away and dropping bins while moving fast

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        @Karen5Lund @Nerts

                                        I guess they maybe thought there was a broadway show in there or something. LMAO.

                                        (but, in a way, there is a broadway show in the sidewalk crack. Ant drama is high drama.)

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                                        #111

                                        @futurebird @Karen5Lund @Nerts
                                        I want an ant opera now.

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                                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                          How have so many people been trained to think like they are private equity managers who just want to cut every job, anything that makes middle class people exist?

                                          And this comment had a bunch of likes ... none of the people getting mad about this really are private equity managers. They won't get rich. But the sight of people with "cushy" (livable, decent) jobs just makes them mad?

                                          It's so depressing.

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                                          #112

                                          @futurebird Carl Icahn and Milton Friedman. It used to be that business management, for all its faults, was about stewardship of the institution rather than pleasing the most sociopathic of its short-term shareholders. Those two psychos very quickly created a meme (in the original sociological context) that infected a generation of people who were out to maximize their own pleasure. It changed the culture as a whole.

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