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  3. Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

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  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

    Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

    One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

    #NHS #Palantir
    h/t FT

    patrickleavy@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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    #28

    @ChrisMayLA6 you can crank up the pressure on the uk gov by signing this open letter to the uk government to cancel the #Palantir #NHS contract:

    https://www.foxglove.org.uk/campaigns/wes-streeting-trigger-the-break-clause-and-get-palantir-out-of-the-nhs/

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    • patrickleavy@mastodon.socialP patrickleavy@mastodon.social

      @ChrisMayLA6 you can crank up the pressure on the uk gov by signing this open letter to the uk government to cancel the #Palantir #NHS contract:

      https://www.foxglove.org.uk/campaigns/wes-streeting-trigger-the-break-clause-and-get-palantir-out-of-the-nhs/

      chrismayla6@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #29

      @patrickleavy

      thanks, have done so

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      • thechildofroth@mastodon.worldT thechildofroth@mastodon.world

        @ChrisMayLA6 I was really pleased to see this.

        I wrote to my (labour) MP saying I wanted to opt out of my data being given to Palantir (or anything associated with Peter Thiel) and got a very wet response about 'your data won't be hacked' (as if that was the issue...) I pointed out that having the big fox in the henhouse, keeping the other foxes out, didn't reassure me!

        I didn't get a further response, but it does seem I'm not the only one in expressing such discomfort!

        samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #30

        @thechildofroth @ChrisMayLA6 You just needed to notify your local GP practice.

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        • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

          Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

          One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

          #NHS #Palantir
          h/t FT

          patrickleavy@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #31

          @ChrisMayLA6 and while we're rejecting #Palantir why not cut to the source of most problems: our behavioural data being harvested by #BigTech

          I set up a non-profit, the Rebel Tech Alliance, to show people all the non-spyware alternatives that they can switch to:

          https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/

          We have a step-by-step programme called the #BigTechWalkout 😁 Collective action we can all take individually!

          #privacy #surveillance

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          • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

            @nini

            British under-statement, I'm afraid....

            nini@oldbytes.spaceN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #32

            @ChrisMayLA6 I understand, just slightly less enthused by the passive voice these days.

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            • patrickleavy@mastodon.socialP patrickleavy@mastodon.social

              @ChrisMayLA6 and while we're rejecting #Palantir why not cut to the source of most problems: our behavioural data being harvested by #BigTech

              I set up a non-profit, the Rebel Tech Alliance, to show people all the non-spyware alternatives that they can switch to:

              https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/

              We have a step-by-step programme called the #BigTechWalkout 😁 Collective action we can all take individually!

              #privacy #surveillance

              werawelt@social.tchncs.deW This user is from outside of this forum
              werawelt@social.tchncs.deW This user is from outside of this forum
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              #33

              @patrickleavy
              A great initiative!
              Regarding Protonmail: Proton must provide information to the USA, e.g. which Visa card number is used for payment; the investigating authority can then use this information to locate the possibly US owner. Proton has to do this if the Swiss authorities order it, and it has happened before. Mailbox.org is better; you can even send cash for payment by post letter there - completely anonymously! Is in Fediverse: @mailbox_org
              Chat: #Deltachat is fully encrypted, anonymous and very easy to use, and free (donate well seen). Deltachat's server is located in Germany; there are more Server in the EU. Deltachat is co-financed by the EU. It's also in Fediverse: @delta

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              • werawelt@social.tchncs.deW werawelt@social.tchncs.de

                @patrickleavy
                A great initiative!
                Regarding Protonmail: Proton must provide information to the USA, e.g. which Visa card number is used for payment; the investigating authority can then use this information to locate the possibly US owner. Proton has to do this if the Swiss authorities order it, and it has happened before. Mailbox.org is better; you can even send cash for payment by post letter there - completely anonymously! Is in Fediverse: @mailbox_org
                Chat: #Deltachat is fully encrypted, anonymous and very easy to use, and free (donate well seen). Deltachat's server is located in Germany; there are more Server in the EU. Deltachat is co-financed by the EU. It's also in Fediverse: @delta

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                #34

                @werawelt hi there, yes mailbox is good. We don't list it in the main table on that page due to not having full E2EE, but we mention it below in the text.

                I've been trying out Delta Chat with my co-founder. It seemed to only work well when both devices had the app open. Is that a thing? Or something that's been fixed?

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                • patrickleavy@mastodon.socialP patrickleavy@mastodon.social

                  @werawelt hi there, yes mailbox is good. We don't list it in the main table on that page due to not having full E2EE, but we mention it below in the text.

                  I've been trying out Delta Chat with my co-founder. It seemed to only work well when both devices had the app open. Is that a thing? Or something that's been fixed?

                  werawelt@social.tchncs.deW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #35

                  @patrickleavy
                  I'm not know that problem at all. I sent posts with attachments, which were only retrieved 3 days later, without any problems.
                  The only important thing is that both have the current deltachat version of the program. But from a security perspective, that's actually a given. The program also gives you the information when you should make an update.

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                  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                    Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                    One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                    #NHS #Palantir
                    h/t FT

                    kcarruthers@infosec.exchangeK This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #36

                    @ChrisMayLA6 @roens Shame on UK’s NHS for using Palantir AI technology (and Shame on any government using this technology)

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                    • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                      Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                      One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                      #NHS #Palantir
                      h/t FT

                      tomstoneham@dair-community.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #37

                      @ChrisMayLA6 Do you have a link to the FT article?

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                      • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                        Having awarded a major contract to (controversial) data firm Palantir, a growing number of NHS staff are refusing to work with the firm's tools for ethical reasons, with wider passive resistance to its deployment.

                        One manger said: 'People are saying, ‘I refuse to work on this software. You have to find something else for me to do’... They’re calling it a workplace adjustment. [as] if you were disabled & needed a different desk, they’re literally treating it like that'! 

                        #NHS #Palantir
                        h/t FT

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                        #38

                        @ChrisMayLA6 Well, treating having a conscience as a disability sort of feels familiar to autistic people. Some 'disabilities' are an affliction of society rather than of individuals.

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                        • tomstoneham@dair-community.socialT tomstoneham@dair-community.social

                          @ChrisMayLA6 Do you have a link to the FT article?

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                          #39

                          @tomstoneham

                          here it is; I don't normally include FT links as they are behind an(able Seay to circumvent) paywall...

                          https://www.ft.com/content/dbb67083-bd1d-46e9-b196-1438d54c5795?syn-25a6b1a6=1

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                          • thechildofroth@mastodon.worldT thechildofroth@mastodon.world

                            @ChrisMayLA6 I was really pleased to see this.

                            I wrote to my (labour) MP saying I wanted to opt out of my data being given to Palantir (or anything associated with Peter Thiel) and got a very wet response about 'your data won't be hacked' (as if that was the issue...) I pointed out that having the big fox in the henhouse, keeping the other foxes out, didn't reassure me!

                            I didn't get a further response, but it does seem I'm not the only one in expressing such discomfort!

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                            #40

                            @thechildofroth @ChrisMayLA6
                            I've sometimes responded to MP that I don't think the whips or the media office are serving them well ....

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