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#WritersCoffeeClub Apr 24 Share a silly mistake you've made while writing.

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  • ilmari@social.treehouse.systemsI ilmari@social.treehouse.systems

    @cstross @gsuberland @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb To be fair, \b{…} was only added to Perl ten years ago 😉

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    @ilmari @cstross @gsuberland @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb \b has been in regexp far longer, only the Unicode additions are new.

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    • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

      @ilmari @cstross @gsuberland @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb \b has been in regexp far longer, only the Unicode additions are new.

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      @jernej__s @cstross @gsuberland @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb yes, that's why I wrote \b{…}, not \b.

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      • ilmari@social.treehouse.systemsI ilmari@social.treehouse.systems

        @gsuberland @cstross @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb Unicode defines word boundaries, and Perl has \b{wb}, which matches them.

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        #86

        @ilmari @gsuberland @cstross @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb
        and vim has \< and \> for “directed” word boundary zero-width expression

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        • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

          @cstross @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb or [^\w-] instead of \W for a more careful approach, since the \W class will replace smarty-pants to smarty-trousers. hyphens are not included in \w, so the inverted class \W matches on them, which is unlikely to be what you want. [^\w-] works the same but doesn't treat hyphens as word boundaries to avoid the issue.

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          @gsuberland @cstross @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb Wait, you’re telling me a word character is not the same as a not-not word character?

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          • adamrice@c.imA adamrice@c.im

            @gsuberland @cstross @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb Wait, you’re telling me a word character is not the same as a not-not word character?

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            #88

            @adamrice @gsuberland @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb (Obligatory Bill Clinton joke): It depends what you mean by "word".

            Less flippantly: is 467130356 a word? Is 17/4/2012 a word? Is !true a word?

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            • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

              @cstross @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb or [^\w-] instead of \W for a more careful approach, since the \W class will replace smarty-pants to smarty-trousers. hyphens are not included in \w, so the inverted class \W matches on them, which is unlikely to be what you want. [^\w-] works the same but doesn't treat hyphens as word boundaries to avoid the issue.

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              @gsuberland @cstross @WellsiteGeo @quixoticgeek @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord @edwinb gonna be blunt: you want to eyeball and confirm every substitution if possible

              these days you can be told how many potential ones up front for a lot of text pretty fast

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                #WritersCoffeeClub Apr 24 Share a silly mistake you've made while writing.

                Character name changes. If for some reason you change the name of a character you *really* need to double-check that it's changed *everywhere*. Hint: regular expressions and global *conditional* search/replace are your tools. Also how to manage word stemming with regexps. Then triple-check *everything*. Otherwise—guaranteed—you'll flip a character's name in one paragraph and the internet will never let you forget it!

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                @cstross
                I would also recommend doing it interactively.
                Yes you need to confirm every change but you learn where your regex goes wrong
                Sadly this doesn't help with missed occurrence

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  @DJRNDM @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord

                  Groan.

                  s/(\W+?)(pants)(\W+?)/\1trousers\3/ig

                  You could use \b — match a word boundary — instead of \W+? (smallest count of non-word characters preceding the next regexp group) but that'd miss run-on strings ending in pants (eg. InterCappedpants).

                  The pcre search modifiers s///ig are for case-insensitive and global.

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                  @cstross @DJRNDM @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord

                  This is still not perfect. You would need to make sure every substitution is the correct meaning of ‘pants’. Otherwise you risk sentences like:

                  “Whew! I'm all out of breath after that steep hill,” he trousers.

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                  • davidtheeviloverlord@mastodon.socialD davidtheeviloverlord@mastodon.social

                    @cstross

                    I once changed a character's name from Allan to Ben, and later changed it back.

                    Reading through the manuscript, I found I had thus invented the Allanch seat.

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                    @davidtheeviloverlord @cstross I recall a story where one of the characters was pulling up his Brendas. I guess Jean got renamed...

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                    • headword@lingo.lolH headword@lingo.lol

                      @cstross @DJRNDM @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord

                      This is still not perfect. You would need to make sure every substitution is the correct meaning of ‘pants’. Otherwise you risk sentences like:

                      “Whew! I'm all out of breath after that steep hill,” he trousers.

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                      @headword @cstross @owent @alicemcalicepants @nullcolaship @davidtheeviloverlord Hot damn! Totally forgot for a moment there that verb existed.

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