People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown.
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@awws @CiaraNi In this case it's mostly the other way round: The provenance trying to show that it's not A.I. was wrong. The instance I saw attributed it to a pair of photographers who actually do take these kind of bird photos. But misspelled his name. And it wasn't on the Facebook feed claimed to be from. And on photos he puts out, he embeds his logo. He's also relatively well-known. The chances of him taking *that* photo and not publishing it wide and proud with his branding are … slim.
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@CiaraNi I noticed this most quickly in the weird sections of Pinterest and YouTube, content on yetis, aliens and skeletons of giants became absolutely saturated by AI within what seemed only months. Appreciate that wasn't a highly integral area of photography even before AI, but still, in the last couple years it's been effectively killed off entirely.
@TenPastTwo It's depressing! I am thinking back almost fondly to the not-long-ago days when a deceptive photo would have required actual Photoshop skills and visual artistry. Only a minority of people had access to a photo-editing program that was processional enough. Of them, only a minority had the skills to meddle with an image so well that other people wondered: 'is it real or not?' Generative AI is an entirely different problem, both the scale of the technology and the abuse of it.
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi I'm usually good at spotting AI, but that one looked so real.
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@awws @CiaraNi In this case it's mostly the other way round: The provenance trying to show that it's not A.I. was wrong. The instance I saw attributed it to a pair of photographers who actually do take these kind of bird photos. But misspelled his name. And it wasn't on the Facebook feed claimed to be from. And on photos he puts out, he embeds his logo. He's also relatively well-known. The chances of him taking *that* photo and not publishing it wide and proud with his branding are … slim.
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
Search and social media companies selling your personal data is distressing. Politicians lying without repercussions. CEOs making fat bonuses at the detriment of the people they lead.
Industrial scale exploitation of the social fabric seems to be the way to get rich. If we let this continue, it will exhaust the social fabric and our civilization will come to a violent end.
I hope more people become aware
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@CiaraNi I'm usually good at spotting AI, but that one looked so real.
@VerenaRupp Agreed, it did look very real, from a technical point of view.
Please let me know if I am wrong about it being AI or an otherwise manipulated image. If it really is a real photo of a real water crown on a real bird, I want to correct my toot! (All this uncertainty in itself is part of the whole frustrating problem.)
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It's not, of course, generative AI that's deceiving people. It's the humans using AI to generate fake images and the humans who pass the fake images off as their own photos who are deceiving other humans.
A few people have questioned whether I am right to say that the image of a drop of water bursting on a bird's head like a crown actually is AI-generated. They think I may be wrong. That it is not faked. That it is real.
If I'm wrong, if it really is an unmanipulated photo by a verified human photographer, please do let me know so that I can correct myself and my toot.
(All this uncertainty is part of the whole problem. We all spend so much human time & energy trying to act in good faith.)
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@VerenaRupp Agreed, it did look very real, from a technical point of view.
Please let me know if I am wrong about it being AI or an otherwise manipulated image. If it really is a real photo of a real water crown on a real bird, I want to correct my toot! (All this uncertainty in itself is part of the whole frustrating problem.)
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi After my first interaction in a thread here i got accused by a random member of this community of being a bot trying to "astroturf" and got blocked afterwards.
Did hurt me more than it should have to be honest.
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi fuck ai and this very violating of public life and art. It's obscene and abusive on all levels.
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@stekopf @VerenaRupp Everything points to it being AI (there are plausible reasons in the photo's thread and in this one.) I don't know how I can prove technically that it is not an AI image. A verified source for the actual photographer and original photo would prove it but nobody seems to have found one.
How do we prove something is or isn't AI in the absence of an original source?
Edit to add: I was sure. Until people started questioning me. Which made me unsure. This is the whole AI mess.
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@CiaraNi @henryk Agreed. I don't know where people find the time or what exactly they get out of it doing it inside. Kinda sad, really.
(though I guess there is also a part of me that *wanted* to believe someone had luckily caught a raindrop corwning a bird like that, cause it woulda been kinda awesome.
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@CiaraNi After my first interaction in a thread here i got accused by a random member of this community of being a bot trying to "astroturf" and got blocked afterwards.
Did hurt me more than it should have to be honest.
It's crazy and sad times we live in.@ohildner Agreed, it's sad. It's distressing. Every time we get burned by an AI deception, every time we feel manipulated. We are on alert, and sometimes we get it wrong - we believe AI-generated content is real; we believe human-made content is AI-generated. We end up bickering at one another while the AI-makers sit on their piles of cash laughing at us.
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@GOKUSHRM Yes, agreed!
@CiaraNi one more thing I want to mention here that we can't not stop AI involvement in our daily life because soon everything will be run by AI. We could resist for some time. So enjoy the resistance.
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@Amorpheus @jwcph I think both parts are deception. Even without text explicitly claiming it was a photo, the person posting knows it is being presented as a photo and will be seen as a photo of a real moment in time.
@CiaraNi @jwcph True. Still, the impact of the actual lie carried significantly more weight to it than the image itself.
I first just saw the image and thought... "this looks way to perfect". Then I read the text and went to "unbelievable... what are the odds for such an event". Now I am like... "the written word seems to have more impact on my plausibility control than my imagery vision".
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi We've started seeing rare species being uploaded to iNaturalist and other citizen science platforms and then it turns out it's AI and I just don't see whyyyy people are doing that. Like No, your AI imagination of a rare insect isn't just as good as someone finding a living specimen, what do you mean. Who profits from that. Who wants to see a "photo" of a fake bird. What's going on.
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@CiaraNi @jwcph True. Still, the impact of the actual lie carried significantly more weight to it than the image itself.
I first just saw the image and thought... "this looks way to perfect". Then I read the text and went to "unbelievable... what are the odds for such an event". Now I am like... "the written word seems to have more impact on my plausibility control than my imagery vision".
@Amorpheus @jwcph Agreed. That's true. The use of text further manipulates us
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@CiaraNi @henryk Agreed. I don't know where people find the time or what exactly they get out of it doing it inside. Kinda sad, really.
(though I guess there is also a part of me that *wanted* to believe someone had luckily caught a raindrop corwning a bird like that, cause it woulda been kinda awesome.
).@awws @henryk This is it, exactly. And there are so many genuinely amazing real images that are awesome. Which is what makes it all even worse. Human photographers feel insulted when people think their genuinely amazing images are AI. People doubt amazing images are real because they have been tricked before by other humans who pretend fake images are real. All the humans lose, except the ones making money off AI tools.
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@CiaraNi fuck ai and this very violating of public life and art. It's obscene and abusive on all levels.
@KristinHenry Agreed. It does feel violating. And humiliating, and insulting, and wearying. The way in which AI use and abuse and misuse leads to humans questioning each other, bickering with each other, makes it all even worse - violating of public life and art, yes.
nonetheless?
