People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown.
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@fgraver @stveje If I am wrong, I will rush to correct myself. But all signs point to it being faked. I don't know how we 100% irrefutably prove something was AI-manipulated, as some have requested, but a verifiable original source of a real image would at least disprove it. But there is none so far.
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@CiaraNi We've started seeing rare species being uploaded to iNaturalist and other citizen science platforms and then it turns out it's AI and I just don't see whyyyy people are doing that. Like No, your AI imagination of a rare insect isn't just as good as someone finding a living specimen, what do you mean. Who profits from that. Who wants to see a "photo" of a fake bird. What's going on.
@weirdmustard @CiaraNi it's certainly making me question every image I see of a species new to me. Not only birds.
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@CiaraNi Also it could be a good way to source all artists here on the internet. A good practice we should be encouraging now even more because of ai.
@CiaraNi Also, it reminds me when there was this bot boom accounts, we were discouraged at first, but i will keep finding ways to spot ai content, directly and indirectly, i will not let stupid people to get omw, the more informated we keep, the better, keep the fight on!
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@FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp
I was also doubting whether it's real or AI (it has to be a quite big droplet for such a solid crown - or maybe it were two?).
I can't confirm the image, but I trust the poster.So, if this is any good, then it - again - shows how important trust is.
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@CiaraNi Also, it reminds me when there was this bot boom accounts, we were discouraged at first, but i will keep finding ways to spot ai content, directly and indirectly, i will not let stupid people to get omw, the more informated we keep, the better, keep the fight on!
@CiaraNi And now today, i've learned a new scammy way to put genai that seems reliable, which is, putting fake names on the post so it seems valid.
We need to start asking for link sources for this kind of photos and art!
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi Amazingly well stated and exemplified!
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@weirdmustard @CiaraNi it's certainly making me question every image I see of a species new to me. Not only birds.
@capnthommo @CiaraNi Cant count the times I've silently accused ppl of posting AI pics of especially beautiful and colorful insects before looking at some other observations and finding that yea, sometimes that species is really that vividly colorful. Doesn't help that photo editors now use "AI" to enhance details either.
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@FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp
I was also doubting whether it's real or AI (it has to be a quite big droplet for such a solid crown - or maybe it were two?).
I can't confirm the image, but I trust the poster.So, if this is any good, then it - again - shows how important trust is.
@stekopf @CiaraNi @VerenaRupp Yeah, its normal if you see an image online and post it bc you think its real. Just like when they gave you a fake bill (or banknote?)
But to leave doubts it would be a good practice to leave sources with links to verify it. It benefits everyone if we are now more careful linking and sourcing images and content.
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi@mastodon.green
This makes me wonder: to which extent is the Macaulay Library (Cornell Lab of Ornithology) curated enough so these photos are all real-world moments of real-world avians? I ask this because, as of recently, I've been using it as a image search engine for pictures of Strigidae (true owls) especially for drawing purposes (art based on real aspects of real species).
Many of the amazing photos I've been finding there contains EXIF data disclosing hardware (camera) and geographical (location) info, which (especially camera and sensors info) is some evidence that these are real photos and not AI-generated pictures...
...but I'm also aware that metadata can be counterfeited, seemingly non-captive scenes (a feeling of wrath emerges inside me every time I see photos of owls in captivity and/or chained/bound because they're meant to be free) can be staged, our senses can be deceived... Welp, a constant Cartesian conundrum that just ends up pushing me more into Luciferian-Gnosticism because, in the end of the day, nothing truly exists in this damn cosmic existence. -
@RalphBassfeld Yes, deeper and longer text attracts questions now, thanks to all the unnecessarily wordy AI slop being generated. It's a difficult one. The use and abuse of AI means we have credible reason to doubt incredible content. We question a text or photo. If it's not AI, then we have 'accused' someone unfairly. If it is AI, then we have 'exposed' deceit fairly. We can't know which until we pose the question.
@CiaraNi @RalphBassfeld “Unnecessarily wordy” - shit, I think In Search of Lost Time may be AI slop too!
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@CiaraNi My father when he saw the image, an intellectual: waterdrops don't create that shape on a concave surface, only when its flat.
@FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi The bird's head is convex when seen from the outside.
But what's in that image still doesn't match anything from the fluid mechanics I learned in school.
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@CiaraNi We've started seeing rare species being uploaded to iNaturalist and other citizen science platforms and then it turns out it's AI and I just don't see whyyyy people are doing that. Like No, your AI imagination of a rare insect isn't just as good as someone finding a living specimen, what do you mean. Who profits from that. Who wants to see a "photo" of a fake bird. What's going on.
@weirdmustard @CiaraNi What! OMG
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi That's shite.
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@fgraver @stveje If I am wrong, I will rush to correct myself. But all signs point to it being faked. I don't know how we 100% irrefutably prove something was AI-manipulated, as some have requested, but a verifiable original source of a real image would at least disprove it. But there is none so far.
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People keep sharing an image of a bird with a drop of water bursting on its head like a crown. It's AI, but people share it in good faith, believing it’s an amazing photo by a human of a real bird in a real moment of time. Meanwhile, humans who have taken amazing photos of real birds captured in real moments of time, like a hummingbird in ballet with a butterfly, get questioned in good faith by people who are tired of being cheated by AI-deceit. The way AI has broken social trust is distressing.
@CiaraNi I'm not sure it's AI. It looks more like a poorly done composite to me. I would guess AI would do a better job, maybe? Totally agree with you on what AI has done to trust.
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It's not, of course, generative AI that's deceiving people. It's the humans using AI to generate fake images and the humans who pass the fake images off as their own photos who are deceiving other humans.
@CiaraNi "it's the human who shoots the gun"
As for right now (and forever and ever, by the very nature of it) the main purpose of AIgen is to make things quick without effort. The only constant and without a sliver of doubt purpose is what things it does, which is generate very accurate images of something that doesn't exist, without effort. Making images for something that doesn't exist in a quick and easy way is, quite literally, the wet dream of scammers. -
@CiaraNi "it's the human who shoots the gun"
As for right now (and forever and ever, by the very nature of it) the main purpose of AIgen is to make things quick without effort. The only constant and without a sliver of doubt purpose is what things it does, which is generate very accurate images of something that doesn't exist, without effort. Making images for something that doesn't exist in a quick and easy way is, quite literally, the wet dream of scammers.@CiaraNi If the machine was a thing that reads your dreams, or the images you make on your head, and puts them on a screen, this would be a very different story.
But nope, this machine isn't about "looking at what is in your brain and taking it out into the real world" just like a gun isn't a "defensive tool". You can only ask to get a thing, a random,fake thing. You can only shoot people. You don't even have to imagine something, it's a tool doing it's wonky, useless to anything but harm, work. -
@FrutigerAero00 @CiaraNi The bird's head is convex when seen from the outside.
But what's in that image still doesn't match anything from the fluid mechanics I learned in school.
@kreatorfangirls @CiaraNi
Correct! My native language is not english and i confuse terms well the thing is, we should properly link and source images so these doubty things wether ai or not would be clearer
