I'm seeing openness to age verification laws within some left of center organizing spaces 😱
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I'm seeing openness to age verification laws within some left of center organizing spaces
Folks, we gotta talk to our people to kill this harmful policy. Regulate dangerous big tech practices, not people!
LGBTQ+ kids in hostile environments suffer when they can't access community online.
Age verification also facilitates excluding representation of marginalized folks. Also, it is at odds with the right to repair — shouldn't we own our devices, and not the other way around?
@robin Also it just enables the surveillance state! -
I'm seeing openness to age verification laws within some left of center organizing spaces
Folks, we gotta talk to our people to kill this harmful policy. Regulate dangerous big tech practices, not people!
LGBTQ+ kids in hostile environments suffer when they can't access community online.
Age verification also facilitates excluding representation of marginalized folks. Also, it is at odds with the right to repair — shouldn't we own our devices, and not the other way around?
I'm genuinely surprised by this, given the natural mistrust of large corporations from the left.
Is it the old "parental state" idea that resonates?
If so, that is a blindness that leftists need to grow to out of.
*both* big government and big corporations are a threat to social democratic justice. Any concentration of power is.
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I'm genuinely surprised by this, given the natural mistrust of large corporations from the left.
Is it the old "parental state" idea that resonates?
If so, that is a blindness that leftists need to grow to out of.
*both* big government and big corporations are a threat to social democratic justice. Any concentration of power is.
@rapsneezy @robin A lot of these people, it's not that they're opposed to authority, they just want to be the authority.
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I'm seeing openness to age verification laws within some left of center organizing spaces
Folks, we gotta talk to our people to kill this harmful policy. Regulate dangerous big tech practices, not people!
LGBTQ+ kids in hostile environments suffer when they can't access community online.
Age verification also facilitates excluding representation of marginalized folks. Also, it is at odds with the right to repair — shouldn't we own our devices, and not the other way around?
@robin many centre-left politicians and their supporters are still doormats for corporate interests and narratives
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I'm seeing openness to age verification laws within some left of center organizing spaces
Folks, we gotta talk to our people to kill this harmful policy. Regulate dangerous big tech practices, not people!
LGBTQ+ kids in hostile environments suffer when they can't access community online.
Age verification also facilitates excluding representation of marginalized folks. Also, it is at odds with the right to repair — shouldn't we own our devices, and not the other way around?
@robin it is also a very real threat to privacy and abuse of data.
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@robin It's unfortunate how age verification craze has captured even our closest allies.
Locally in Poland, a long existing organization fighting for freedom and privacy in digital space came to be very empathetic to the idea of age verification, arguing that age verification on service provider's side IS the regulation of Big Tech we need to protect minors.
It's truthfully disheartening to see something like this, considering the threat those regulations pose to freedom and privacy of all Internet users.
I don't believe a lot of creatures in those organizations mean anything bad, but I think they underestimate the harm those regulations bring.
All of us want Internet to be safer for children and ourselves. But this is not the way to achieve this.
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@rapsneezy @robin A lot of these people, it's not that they're opposed to authority, they just want to be the authority.
@ravenonthill @rapsneezy @robin "authority only bad if im not the one in control" "cops are only bad if their not enforcing my laws" "military are only bad if their not killing my targets" ..
its fucking everywhere
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@MisuseCase @robin I'd love to know, honestly.
I've been watching a hearing in European Parlament co-hosted by one of Foundation's chairwoman but this was not raised there, nor it was on most recent 2 hour interview with the same Foundation chairwoman and a panel with other experts.
Granted, their English post summarizing the EP hearing does have a more nuanced take mentioning how those regulations shift responsibility from platforms to their users https://en.panoptykon.org/dsa-vs-reality-are-children-safer-online-ep-hearing, however it does not appear the Foundation itself has changed the course described in their polish post (https://panoptykon.org/media-spolecznosciowe-od-15-lat) or in a statement given by same chairwoman to 15 powodów (15 reasons) which is a campaign advocating for "effective and proportional" age verification mechanisms.
I think it's also fair to mention communication from their Fediverse account https://eupolicy.social/@panoptykon/115491550233208488 here, where they argue that they've "came in terms" with the idea that age verification is coming and they pose their role as mediator to minimize its effect on freedom, while admitting they don't know how to introduce that mechanism without infringing upon freedom.
Again, I love what Panoptykon does usually, they've done huge amounts of work at protecting privacy and freedom, I have donated to it in the past, so it's weird they've taken such a turn. Which I think to them is located at crossroads in between protecting creatures from big tech and protecting creatures from mechanisms of surveillance and censorship.
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@MisuseCase @robin I'd love to know, honestly.
I've been watching a hearing in European Parlament co-hosted by one of Foundation's chairwoman but this was not raised there, nor it was on most recent 2 hour interview with the same Foundation chairwoman and a panel with other experts.
Granted, their English post summarizing the EP hearing does have a more nuanced take mentioning how those regulations shift responsibility from platforms to their users https://en.panoptykon.org/dsa-vs-reality-are-children-safer-online-ep-hearing, however it does not appear the Foundation itself has changed the course described in their polish post (https://panoptykon.org/media-spolecznosciowe-od-15-lat) or in a statement given by same chairwoman to 15 powodów (15 reasons) which is a campaign advocating for "effective and proportional" age verification mechanisms.
I think it's also fair to mention communication from their Fediverse account https://eupolicy.social/@panoptykon/115491550233208488 here, where they argue that they've "came in terms" with the idea that age verification is coming and they pose their role as mediator to minimize its effect on freedom, while admitting they don't know how to introduce that mechanism without infringing upon freedom.
Again, I love what Panoptykon does usually, they've done huge amounts of work at protecting privacy and freedom, I have donated to it in the past, so it's weird they've taken such a turn. Which I think to them is located at crossroads in between protecting creatures from big tech and protecting creatures from mechanisms of surveillance and censorship.
And the Overton window is shifting fast, a year ago they've said that they'd oppose age gating any other website than those hosting pornography (https://eupolicy.social/@panoptykon/114398322486562064), while today the biggest discourse they engage in on this topic is age gating social media
EDIT: I've looked again at blog posts and videos and will be asking Panoptykon to clarify their position on age-verification, as to me they give some conflicting statements at times and I'd actually want to know if they have Internet user's back or not on this issue.
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@robin And it's ultimately just used as more Surveillance State tactics.
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