@pluralistic is exactly right - the opposite of fascism is solidarity.
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@pluralistic is exactly right - the opposite of fascism is solidarity. There's an incredibly important detail here, which you might spot if I say that the expression of solidarity is community, or even that the market alternative to capitalism is commerce.
These answers to the two-pronged problem of fascism/capitalism are not -isms.
Things like solidarity, community & commerce aren't belief systems, they're something we DO, WITH each other, not TO each other.
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@pluralistic is exactly right - the opposite of fascism is solidarity. There's an incredibly important detail here, which you might spot if I say that the expression of solidarity is community, or even that the market alternative to capitalism is commerce.
These answers to the two-pronged problem of fascism/capitalism are not -isms.
Things like solidarity, community & commerce aren't belief systems, they're something we DO, WITH each other, not TO each other.
Commerce vs. Capitalism:
- If what you're doing is for people, profit is what allows you to keep doing it.
- If what you're doing is for profit, people are who you're doing it to.
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@pluralistic is exactly right - the opposite of fascism is solidarity. There's an incredibly important detail here, which you might spot if I say that the expression of solidarity is community, or even that the market alternative to capitalism is commerce.
These answers to the two-pronged problem of fascism/capitalism are not -isms.
Things like solidarity, community & commerce aren't belief systems, they're something we DO, WITH each other, not TO each other.
@jwcph @pluralistic It doesnt matter the economic system, the fight with the current crop of white fascists is about bigotry. There is no difference between the white supremacists and the white fascists, these people are one in the same. I know the media people like to separate them, probably because the major media are also bigoted white elitists.
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@jwcph @pluralistic It doesnt matter the economic system, the fight with the current crop of white fascists is about bigotry. There is no difference between the white supremacists and the white fascists, these people are one in the same. I know the media people like to separate them, probably because the major media are also bigoted white elitists.
@timo21 @pluralistic This is true - but capitalism literally *is* fascism, in so far as it's a system for consolidating ownership & control of the means of value creation on the fewest possible hands, which is the same as consolidating power in those same hands. And since there's no such thing as value creation that doesn't involve people, well...
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@timo21 @pluralistic This is true - but capitalism literally *is* fascism, in so far as it's a system for consolidating ownership & control of the means of value creation on the fewest possible hands, which is the same as consolidating power in those same hands. And since there's no such thing as value creation that doesn't involve people, well...
@jwcph @pluralistic The other economic -isms have also stomped on human rights. If it's not capitalism, it's some other -ism. Singling out one economic path lets the other ones escape the required scorn they deserve. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is only from 1948 and transcends all forms of government. Citizens have to stand up for themselves, no matter what type of government or society they have. The battle is not over which -ism is best, it is over the rights of human beings.
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@jwcph @pluralistic The other economic -isms have also stomped on human rights. If it's not capitalism, it's some other -ism. Singling out one economic path lets the other ones escape the required scorn they deserve. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is only from 1948 and transcends all forms of government. Citizens have to stand up for themselves, no matter what type of government or society they have. The battle is not over which -ism is best, it is over the rights of human beings.
@timo21 @pluralistic Did you even read my post...?
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@timo21 @pluralistic Did you even read my post...?
@jwcph @pluralistic Yep, I did. And that was my response. The -isms of history are just that, history. We are onto some different things now, and they all stomp on human rights.
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@jwcph @pluralistic Yep, I did. And that was my response. The -isms of history are just that, history. We are onto some different things now, and they all stomp on human rights.
@timo21 @pluralistic - which is why I said that the response to -isms is things that aren't -isms. If what you mean is that you agree with me, that isn't what I got from your OP but that may just be my reading.
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@timo21 @pluralistic - which is why I said that the response to -isms is things that aren't -isms. If what you mean is that you agree with me, that isn't what I got from your OP but that may just be my reading.
@jwcph @pluralistic No worries. I think we are on the same train.
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@jwcph @pluralistic No worries. I think we are on the same train.
@timo21 @pluralistic Glad to know it. Sorry if I misread you.
