I like this.
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@jwildeboer I feel the term algorithmic is too innocent/harmless for what the corporations really tailor it for.
The goal of the algorithmic corporate feed is to
a) make people addicted to the feed and
b) continuously lower their attention span so they can show them more ads (I mean influence them) in ever shorter succession.
It is a very vicious and purely evil construct.
on Fediverse is social media.Some of the new social media ban laws specifically apply to addictive feeds, for this reason.
But far too many do not, and impose verification requirements that are financially impossible for sites that *don't* exploit their users with addictive feeds. Those bans not only don't punish addictive social media companies, but reward them by shutting down their competitors (i.e. Fedi).
And all of them do nothing to protect adults from addiction.
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
@jwildeboer I have started referring to the Fedi as "social networking" as opposed to social MEDIA. When it becomes media, you actually lose the personal, social bit.
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@jwildeboer I have started referring to the Fedi as "social networking" as opposed to social MEDIA. When it becomes media, you actually lose the personal, social bit.
yes, that distinction between "media" and "network" seems real and important. It may even be identifiable mathematically
by looking into the topology of the network: Is it dominated by popular accounts that look for another channel / audience to push their content, who have vast numbers of passive followers (followers who never post, but at best boost and like)? Or do people feel empowered to join the discussion on a more equal basis?
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
@jwildeboer This is brilliant!
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@steltenpower @jwildeboer Todays villains are identified by their private jets ...
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yes, that distinction between "media" and "network" seems real and important. It may even be identifiable mathematically
by looking into the topology of the network: Is it dominated by popular accounts that look for another channel / audience to push their content, who have vast numbers of passive followers (followers who never post, but at best boost and like)? Or do people feel empowered to join the discussion on a more equal basis?
@jwildeboer@openrisk When I joined twitter in 2009 it was used almost exclusively to organise *IRL* networking. We had Twestivals, meet-ups, coffee mornings - great fun, great for freelancers and creatives, with lasting connection.
It was anything but media. It was when the journalists and a bit later the politicians joined that it started to become media.
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Some of the new social media ban laws specifically apply to addictive feeds, for this reason.
But far too many do not, and impose verification requirements that are financially impossible for sites that *don't* exploit their users with addictive feeds. Those bans not only don't punish addictive social media companies, but reward them by shutting down their competitors (i.e. Fedi).
And all of them do nothing to protect adults from addiction.
@argv_minus_one @jwildeboer it is sadly the case that a lot of tech legislation is heavily influenced by corporate lobbyists ...
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net there is nothing "social" about "social media". call it something distinct like a "persona substrate" which is far more susinct imo.
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@argv_minus_one @jwildeboer it is sadly the case that a lot of tech legislation is heavily influenced by corporate lobbyists ...
That it is, but I don't remember any other time when forcibly shutting down hundreds of thousands of small businesses, non-profits, and hobby projects was on the table. Tech legislation wasn't so apocalyptic until now.
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
Loving this idea!
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That it is, but I don't remember any other time when forcibly shutting down hundreds of thousands of small businesses, non-profits, and hobby projects was on the table. Tech legislation wasn't so apocalyptic until now.
@argv_minus_one @jwildeboer I think with the rise of an american administration that is unhinged the corporate tech Billionaires and coporations do not have to pretend any more and are becoming more and more unhinged as well.
And that can be seen everywhere and accelerates things a lot.
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@argv_minus_one @jwildeboer I think with the rise of an american administration that is unhinged the corporate tech Billionaires and coporations do not have to pretend any more and are becoming more and more unhinged as well.
And that can be seen everywhere and accelerates things a lot.
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@argv_minus_one @jwildeboer oh I meant it in the sense that this unhinged admin and corporations have a strong ripple effect across the globe.
Them unleashing their army of lobbyist across the globe.And we in Europe are no exception.
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
Slight correction? "Algorithmic Propaganda". IMO "media" is too vague.
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
@jwildeboer more like algorithmic propaganda advertisements media
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
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@jwildeboer I like to tell people that it's the only social media made by the people, for the people, and owned by the people. It seems to create interest when I do.
@Mrfunkedude @jwildeboer and then they miss the "algorithm"...
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
@jwildeboer Yes, thats correct! i say ever, that meta have not the right to say social media to her networks. It are plattforms for the business with personal data and advertise!
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
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I like this. OH: The Fediverse is social media. TikTok, X, Facebook etc is algorithmic media. This catches the difference quite well. We should take the term social media back. It is about us, not their algorithms.
@jwildeboer i always thought of it as the difference between social networks and social media
