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  3. I am convinced we are on the verge of the first "AI agent worm".

I am convinced we are on the verge of the first "AI agent worm".

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  • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

    @dvshkn @mcc @cwebber So the trick here is if you install OpenClaw in secret on a user's machine who isn't checking carefully, you might hide easily in network traffic. Use of tools like Claude Code would make the same API calls, which is likely for users who would be targeted with these attacks.

    The real insane part is if multiple instance of OpenClaw were running on the same machine, so not even the process name looked suspicious. But of course process names are a poor indicator and can be changed.

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    #91

    @mttaggart @dvshkn @mcc @cwebber this does suggest a good defense: block outgoing network traffic to the big inference providers and you're likely to be safe from the less-targeted versions of this.

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      #92

      @bsmall2@fedibird.com @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @cwebber@social.coop For those who decide to do this, please pay attention to health & sanitation practices.

      (Improvising it without care has been a problem in various places & cases.)

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        #93

        @bsmall2 @lispi314 @cwebber I'm not accepting ableist remarks or unsolicited medical advice from strangers on the internet at this time.

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        • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz

          @bsmall2@fedibird.com @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @cwebber@social.coop For those who decide to do this, please pay attention to health & sanitation practices.

          (Improvising it without care has been a problem in various places & cases.)

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          #94

          @lispi314 @bsmall2 @cwebber i have it on good authority that~~unlike wheat~~farm animals smell really bad

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          • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

            @lispi314 @bsmall2 @cwebber i have it on good authority that~~unlike wheat~~farm animals smell really bad

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            #95
            @aeva @bsmall2 @cwebber Yeah, outside of particular fertilizers being used (I have lived in the boonies), wheat has a generally inoffensive or mildly pleasant smell.
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            • arnebab@rollenspiel.socialA arnebab@rollenspiel.social

              @cwebber According to #Shadowrun the crash virus is still three years away.

              https://shadowrun.fandom.com/wiki/Crash_Virus_of_2029

              "Fun" fact: In Shadowrun the Crash Virus learned to kill humans who connected their brains to the net. It was the start of lethal internet input.

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              #96

              @ArneBab @cwebber well via AI psychosis that part is already in the bag sort of. The great part is the human doesn't need to jack in or anything: they just need to have a conversation with the agent.

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              • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz
                @aeva @bsmall2 @cwebber Yeah, outside of particular fertilizers being used (I have lived in the boonies), wheat has a generally inoffensive or mildly pleasant smell.
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                #97

                @lispi314 @bsmall2 @cwebber maybe that could be my angle. "poop-free wheat"

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                • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @lispi314 @bsmall2 @cwebber maybe that could be my angle. "poop-free wheat"

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                  #98

                  @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @bsmall2@fedibird.com @cwebber@social.coop From what I understand on an intellectual basis the root of the issue is that they refused to let it compost for long enough in the right conditions for it to fully complete and not have that issue.

                  It was probably within whatever norms have been established as “safe” but that didn’t exactly make it pleasant for anyone living downwind that particular day.

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                  • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @lispi314 @bsmall2 @cwebber maybe that could be my angle. "poop-free wheat"

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                    #99

                    @aeva @lispi314 @cwebber
                    "No Shit Wheat!"

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                    • pseudonym@mastodon.onlineP pseudonym@mastodon.online

                      @cmthiede @neurobashing @cwebber

                      Congratulations. You just pre-named it when it happens.

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                      #100

                      @pseudonym @neurobashing @cwebber sorry for not being more creative, I was fine with fiction staying that way

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                      • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @lispi314 @cwebber gotcha. that might be promising. are there wheat jobs that can be done while sitting down in a chair

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                        #101

                        @aeva sure all you have to do is to get all the machines in the fields in IoT and control them making the job with an AI agent-.. #ohwait..
                        @lispi314 @cwebber

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                        • bituur_esztreym@pouet.chapril.orgB bituur_esztreym@pouet.chapril.org

                          @aeva sure all you have to do is to get all the machines in the fields in IoT and control them making the job with an AI agent-.. #ohwait..
                          @lispi314 @cwebber

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                          #102

                          @bituur_esztreym @lispi314 @cwebber this town's finished.

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                          • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            @bituur_esztreym @lispi314 @cwebber this town's finished.

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                            #103

                            @aeva town? i thought the planet was a village..
                            @lispi314 @cwebber

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                            • bituur_esztreym@pouet.chapril.orgB bituur_esztreym@pouet.chapril.org

                              @aeva town? i thought the planet was a village..
                              @lispi314 @cwebber

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                              #104

                              @bituur_esztreym @lispi314 @cwebber it's a reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9OmTnuLzeQ

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                              • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @cwebber so I'm following this right, it sounds like the project or its maintainers don't even necessarily need to even be using LLM tools, the attack pattern simply targets contributors who are using LLM development tools? and so all that is really needed is for the payload to be subtle and the maintainer to be sufficiently overwhelmed (say, by an endless fire hose of LLM-generated liquid shit slop pull requests)?

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                                #105

                                @aeva @cwebber

                                People keep asking how "AI" is supposed to be useful or make money.

                                But it's a weapon.

                                Anybody else noticing that yet?

                                It's a weapon.

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                                • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  @bituur_esztreym @lispi314 @cwebber it's a reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9OmTnuLzeQ

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                                  #106

                                  @aeva @lispi314 @cwebber oh thanks. didn't know it. could have guessed..
                                  my only consolation is my answer was, too.. obvious one `w;7[)

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                                  • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    @cwebber apropos of nothing, is pottery still a big deal for humans? i was thinking this morning that pottery might be a nice career change for me.

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                                    #107

                                    @aeva @cwebber one of my friends sister is a professional potter. Her business is booming, and she does specialize in pieces for people to actually use, custom kitchen stuff mostly. I can try and arrange an into if you would like to talk to somebody who made it work.

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                                    • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz

                                      @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place @cwebber@social.coop Not really, it’s been mass-industrialized so at this point outside of Etsy stuff you can largely forget it.

                                      And no one’s going to use very expensive handmade pottery, it’s going to be a display piece.

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                                      #108

                                      @lispi314 As a counterpoint, I was in a vicious "I have all these plants, I should buy nice planters to put them in" to "I have all these nice planters, I should buy plants to put in them" infinite loop for years. Etsy in particular was quite the enabler.

                                      @aeva @cwebber

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                                      • aaron@chirp.zadzmo.orgA aaron@chirp.zadzmo.org

                                        @lispi314 As a counterpoint, I was in a vicious "I have all these plants, I should buy nice planters to put them in" to "I have all these nice planters, I should buy plants to put in them" infinite loop for years. Etsy in particular was quite the enabler.

                                        @aeva @cwebber

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                                        #109
                                        @aaron @aeva @cwebber Oh right, I keep thinking of cookware/dishware but planters are a use-case indeed.
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                                        • aaron@chirp.zadzmo.orgA aaron@chirp.zadzmo.org

                                          @lispi314 As a counterpoint, I was in a vicious "I have all these plants, I should buy nice planters to put them in" to "I have all these nice planters, I should buy plants to put in them" infinite loop for years. Etsy in particular was quite the enabler.

                                          @aeva @cwebber

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                                          #110

                                          @aaron @lispi314 @cwebber ooo I could have a lot of fun with that 😮

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