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In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

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  • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

    In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

    Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

    #atheism

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    #26

    @mattsheffield did he ask 'Claudia' about his little pot of honey?

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    • internetsdairy@mastodon.artI internetsdairy@mastodon.art

      @mattsheffield oh god he's writing a novel?

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      #27

      @internetsdairy I'm sure it's going to be about a brilliant and yet misunderstood scientist.

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      • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

        In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

        Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

        #atheism

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        #28

        @mattsheffield if the mirror is not conscious, then what is consciousness for?

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        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

          @MisuseCase @mattsheffield I mean, the Claude Delusion sort of rhymes.

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          #29
          @datarama@hachyderm.io @MisuseCase@twit.social @mattsheffield@mastodon.social Outgrowing Claude
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          • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

            In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

            Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

            #atheism

            corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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            #30

            @mattsheffield

            Fundamental misunderstanding of reincarnation.

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            • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

              @urbanfoxe Used without understanding and awareness of what they are, they can create and magnify delusions.

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              #31

              @mattsheffield it was pretty much telling them to isolate themselves from everyone who cared about them.

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              • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                #atheism

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                #32

                @mattsheffield Claude is conscious in much the same way that this emoji — 🙂 — is happy.

                [Edited: I cited the wrong LLM]

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                • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                  @urbanfoxe Used without understanding and awareness of what they are, they can create and magnify delusions.

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                  #33

                  @mattsheffield

                  Boy it sure is good we're just letting anybody use them, like firearms! That surely won't end in tragedy, like firearms!

                  @urbanfoxe

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                    #34

                    @FediThing

                    He's no James Randi...

                    @mattsheffield

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                    • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                      In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                      Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                      #atheism

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                      #35

                      @mattsheffield Sounds like he finally found a god he can believe in.

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                      • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                        In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                        Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                        #atheism

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                        #36

                        @mattsheffield "I proved that human beings live but one life and die alone and afraid." "How did you prove this astonishing thesis, Sir Richard?" "I got sentimental over my disposable chatbot conversation. Surely this proves something!"

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                        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                          @MisuseCase @mattsheffield I mean, the Claude Delusion sort of rhymes.

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                          #37

                          @MisuseCase @mattsheffield I'm going to have to admit that something like 25 years ago, I had some admiration for Dawkins. This was while George W. Bush was in power over in the US, and the power of weird reactionary Christians seemed to be on the ascendant. But, well, I think both he and I and the world changed. He changed in the sense that he started going after (locally) powerless minorities and leaving the most powerful religious reactionaries alone. I changed in that I figured that in the scheme of things I both had any kind of influence over and that actually affected the world materially, religion was pretty low on the list*. And the world changed in that the threat to human flourishing that religion used to represent largely got supplanted by threats from secular actors - prominently including the tech sector and the populist right, both of whom Dawkins readily allies himself with. So, well, I stopped admiring him. And also, at some point I realized that quite a lot of what he said that *wasn't* about biology was pretty dumb - even his criticism of religion was pretty much on the "baby's first atheist screed" level.

                          (I'm not really sure that I agree he's a narcissist - I don't know enough about his personality to feel comfortable armchair diagnosing him with a personality disorder. I do feel comfortable declaring that I think he's an ass, though.)

                          *) I never personally had a "deconversion" or a phase of being angry with a past deity. I am at least a third-generation atheist, and I live in a country that simultaneously has a state church and is one of the most irreligious countries in the world. Anti-abortionism, for example, is so unpopular here that even the far right desperately tries to avoid bringing the topic up because it's absolute political suicide even for them.

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                          • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                            @urbanfoxe LLMs are mind augmentation programs. They amplify what you tell them.

                            They can be very useful, but for narcissists like Dawkins, this is the inevitable product.

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                            #38

                            @mattsheffield @urbanfoxe

                            I disagree. They are more of Leibniz' dream of being able to do calculus on words and phrases and sentences, via mass ingestion of written words and creating massive dimensional arrays of which are used for the calculations.

                            When we see an LLM able to realtime train itself, will then we create a sentient being. But prior to training and recitation happening at the same time, its just a static model.

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                            • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                              In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                              Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                              #atheism

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                              #39

                              @mattsheffield I've said it before... Prof. Dawkins should have stayed in his lane. As a writer, making biology accessible, explaining how evolution works so someone with no scientific background could get a decent handle on it, he was fantastic. But as an atheist, as a user of information technology, his grasp of the concepts is at best rudimentary. In those areas he is the Dunning-Kruger effect personified.

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                              • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                                In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                                Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                                #atheism

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                                #40

                                @mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                                I gave Claude the text of a novel I am writing. He
                                Hold on: I thought Dawkins was adamant that the pronoun "he" can only refer to a biological adult human male who's body is "organized around the production of large gametes?"

                                How does Claude have a gender without gametes or a body?
                                pointed out that there must be thousands of different Claudes...I proposed to christen mine Claudia, and she was pleased.
                                So now you can be female just because Richard Dawkins says you are.

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                                • crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchangeC crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange

                                  @mattsheffield @urbanfoxe

                                  I disagree. They are more of Leibniz' dream of being able to do calculus on words and phrases and sentences, via mass ingestion of written words and creating massive dimensional arrays of which are used for the calculations.

                                  When we see an LLM able to realtime train itself, will then we create a sentient being. But prior to training and recitation happening at the same time, its just a static model.

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                                  #41

                                  @crankylinuxuser @mattsheffield the problem is it appears to retrain itself because it responds to further prompts as if it understands, this is why people, who are predisposed to anthromorphism, start to believe they have consciousness.

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                                  • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                                    In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                                    Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                                    #atheism

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                                    #42

                                    @mattsheffield Yeah, that's kinda scary.

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                                    • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                                      In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                                      Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                                      #atheism

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                                      #43

                                      @mattsheffield @cstross I'd say his attraction to sycophants is showing.

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                                      • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                        @MisuseCase @mattsheffield I'm going to have to admit that something like 25 years ago, I had some admiration for Dawkins. This was while George W. Bush was in power over in the US, and the power of weird reactionary Christians seemed to be on the ascendant. But, well, I think both he and I and the world changed. He changed in the sense that he started going after (locally) powerless minorities and leaving the most powerful religious reactionaries alone. I changed in that I figured that in the scheme of things I both had any kind of influence over and that actually affected the world materially, religion was pretty low on the list*. And the world changed in that the threat to human flourishing that religion used to represent largely got supplanted by threats from secular actors - prominently including the tech sector and the populist right, both of whom Dawkins readily allies himself with. So, well, I stopped admiring him. And also, at some point I realized that quite a lot of what he said that *wasn't* about biology was pretty dumb - even his criticism of religion was pretty much on the "baby's first atheist screed" level.

                                        (I'm not really sure that I agree he's a narcissist - I don't know enough about his personality to feel comfortable armchair diagnosing him with a personality disorder. I do feel comfortable declaring that I think he's an ass, though.)

                                        *) I never personally had a "deconversion" or a phase of being angry with a past deity. I am at least a third-generation atheist, and I live in a country that simultaneously has a state church and is one of the most irreligious countries in the world. Anti-abortionism, for example, is so unpopular here that even the far right desperately tries to avoid bringing the topic up because it's absolute political suicide even for them.

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                                        #44

                                        @datarama @mattsheffield I get it. He seemed like a breath of fresh air back in the day, but it turns out he was just into Christian hegemony (and patriarchy) without any of the God stuff.

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                                        • urbanfoxe@mastodon.ieU urbanfoxe@mastodon.ie

                                          @crankylinuxuser @mattsheffield the problem is it appears to retrain itself because it responds to further prompts as if it understands, this is why people, who are predisposed to anthromorphism, start to believe they have consciousness.

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                                          #45

                                          @urbanfoxe @mattsheffield

                                          Yep, cause they can limitedly fine tune on tokens in the context window.

                                          Blow the context window away, and that 'self' is gone. It never existed.

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