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  3. People get mad when you call LLMs "spicy autocomplete" but my investigations into recreating and implementing small versions of this tech make me think that nick name is very accurate.

People get mad when you call LLMs "spicy autocomplete" but my investigations into recreating and implementing small versions of this tech make me think that nick name is very accurate.

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  • technothrasher@universeodon.comT technothrasher@universeodon.com

    @futurebird @woe2you

    "It's one of the reasons I like the fedi. People will say when you are wrong but they are nice about it... mostly"

    I find this unfortunately being less and less so as more people discover it. Lately I've seen way more flaming and obnoxious argumentativeness than ever previously. Sigh.

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    #19

    @technothrasher @woe2you

    That sucks. Was it someone you knew acting differently or new people showing up? I hardly ever see any real drama so I'm kind of curious in an shallow gossip driven way what was going down...

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      @technothrasher @woe2you

      That sucks. Was it someone you knew acting differently or new people showing up? I hardly ever see any real drama so I'm kind of curious in an shallow gossip driven way what was going down...

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      #20

      @futurebird @woe2you I stick mostly to animal photography on my timeline, which still seems friendly and unaffected. But when looking at trending posts, so seeing things I wouldn't normally see, there tends to be more arguing. Unsurprisingly, it's usually political posts, which are always going to raise emotions, but people used to at least argue constructively. Now it seems to be a lot of yelling and swearing. Not everywhere, but more often.

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      • maybenot@mstdn.socialM maybenot@mstdn.social

        @neckspike @futurebird

        "Big Markov",
        "Deep Markov"
        or, terrifyingly
        "General Purpose Markov" ?

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        #21
        @maybenot @neckspike @futurebird General Markov 🫡
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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          People get mad when you call LLMs "spicy autocomplete" but my investigations into recreating and implementing small versions of this tech make me think that nick name is very accurate.

          Basically, it's a method to predict the next content in a text file. The whole conversation between you and the LLM is one file, and the LLM tries to find the most likely next text based on the training data.

          There is something significant here: LLMs were trained on internet forums and social media.

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          #22

          @futurebird Someone recently used term "Augmenting Intelligence" and I thought it describes much better.

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          • liiwi@mastodon.socialL liiwi@mastodon.social

            @futurebird Someone recently used term "Augmenting Intelligence" and I thought it describes much better.

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            #23

            @liiwi

            It kind of implies something intelligent rather than probabilistic is going on though.

            If I have a hat filled with quotations of wisdom and I pull one out and read it now and then some of the time it will align with what is going on and seem very perceptive.

            If I have three hats with such quotes and they are labeled "good" "bad" and "cryptic" and I pick one based on the mood people might think I'm a genius.

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              @liiwi

              It kind of implies something intelligent rather than probabilistic is going on though.

              If I have a hat filled with quotations of wisdom and I pull one out and read it now and then some of the time it will align with what is going on and seem very perceptive.

              If I have three hats with such quotes and they are labeled "good" "bad" and "cryptic" and I pick one based on the mood people might think I'm a genius.

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              #24

              @futurebird Very, very similar to magicians and unethical grifters performing cold reads.

              @liiwi

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                @liiwi

                It kind of implies something intelligent rather than probabilistic is going on though.

                If I have a hat filled with quotations of wisdom and I pull one out and read it now and then some of the time it will align with what is going on and seem very perceptive.

                If I have three hats with such quotes and they are labeled "good" "bad" and "cryptic" and I pick one based on the mood people might think I'm a genius.

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                #25
                I call them "Weighted Random Word [or Code] Machines." I have a friend who said he wasn't going to continue the conversation if I was using "slurs." I called him a Cogger Lover.
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                • liiwi@mastodon.socialL liiwi@mastodon.social

                  @futurebird Someone recently used term "Augmenting Intelligence" and I thought it describes much better.

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                  #26

                  @liiwi @futurebird
                  It (LLM/Generative AI) doesn’t augment intelligence. If anything it conditions people to think less!

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    @liiwi

                    It kind of implies something intelligent rather than probabilistic is going on though.

                    If I have a hat filled with quotations of wisdom and I pull one out and read it now and then some of the time it will align with what is going on and seem very perceptive.

                    If I have three hats with such quotes and they are labeled "good" "bad" and "cryptic" and I pick one based on the mood people might think I'm a genius.

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                    #27

                    @futurebird Godd point, there is also the question that can there be intelligence without identity?

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                    • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                      @liiwi @futurebird
                      It (LLM/Generative AI) doesn’t augment intelligence. If anything it conditions people to think less!

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                      #28

                      @raymaccarthy @futurebird The context was that it augments user, like a tool.

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                      • liiwi@mastodon.socialL liiwi@mastodon.social

                        @raymaccarthy @futurebird The context was that it augments user, like a tool.

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                        #29

                        @liiwi @raymaccarthy

                        Got it!

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                        • liiwi@mastodon.socialL liiwi@mastodon.social

                          @raymaccarthy @futurebird The context was that it augments user, like a tool.

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                          #30

                          @liiwi @futurebird
                          It's about the most useless computer tool I've ever seen.
                          It wastes user's time.

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            People get mad when you call LLMs "spicy autocomplete" but my investigations into recreating and implementing small versions of this tech make me think that nick name is very accurate.

                            Basically, it's a method to predict the next content in a text file. The whole conversation between you and the LLM is one file, and the LLM tries to find the most likely next text based on the training data.

                            There is something significant here: LLMs were trained on internet forums and social media.

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                            #31

                            @futurebird maybe "sloppy autocomplete" would be better?

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                              #32
                              The early models did involve hundreds of people who were given multiple generations and clicked on the one that was the least idiotic for eight hours a day, but I think a lot of the newer ones just violate OpenAI/Anthropic's user agreements and use the existing models for reinforced feedback learning. (DeepSeek likely did this). They're likely also using the feedback users give GPT/Claude during use.

                              So yes, it's going to always have the bias of whatever the rules were printed out for those original employees as well as their own personal biases.

                              But it's not too over simplistic an explanation. These are next word (token) prediction machines. Each thing that's generated requires the entire context of text to be passed through the machine for each new word. The models themselves are also deterministic, it's just that the generator doesn't always pick the most likely next token. It might randomly select the token at 96% instead of 98% to introduce some variability.
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                              • liiwi@mastodon.socialL liiwi@mastodon.social

                                @futurebird Godd point, there is also the question that can there be intelligence without identity?

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                                #33

                                @liiwi @futurebird

                                I have always thought there can be intelligence without identity.

                                A big part of intelligence seems to be about answering the question 'what happens next?' every moment of its existence. Answering this question covers everything from a dropping a ball to Relativity.

                                NOT saying this is all of intelligence, just one of its major tasks. This part doesn't need to have a 'me' in the model.

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