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I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst.

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  • veerat@zeroes.caV This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

    At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

    Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

    Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

    How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

    I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

    The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

    #NoAI

    jmcrookston@mastodon.socialJ pawsplay@dice.campP petererer@fuzzle.me.ukP gooba42@mastodon.socialG ohir@social.vivaldi.netO 24 Replies Last reply
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    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

      I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

      At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

      Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

      Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

      How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

      I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

      The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

      #NoAI

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      #2

      @VeeRat

      I couldn't even get AI to make me a compound interest calculator. It did it incorrectly. I have no idea what anyone uses this "tool" for.

      I do use a dictation tool which is an LLM (local) and it works well. That is the only use case I have found so far for me.

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      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

        I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

        At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

        Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

        Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

        How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

        I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

        The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

        #NoAI

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        #3

        @VeeRat Have you seen the Big Short? The bit where the guy keeps expecting everything to fall, but a bunch of rich assholes keep propping it up while they raid the piggy bank?

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        • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

          I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

          At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

          Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

          Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

          How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

          I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

          The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

          #NoAI

          petererer@fuzzle.me.ukP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4
          @VeeRat@zeroes.ca My "favourite" advice is that apparently I should prompt the thing to give me a good prompt...
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          • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

            I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

            At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

            Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

            Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

            How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

            I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

            The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

            #NoAI

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            #5

            @VeeRat Lately all the Microsoft IDE stuff has flipped into "CoPilot does everything" and replaced working IntelliSense with garbage.

            This last week was when I noticed it because SQL Server Management Studio stopped being able to autocomplete an existing table name.

            Just days ago I could trust tab completion and suddenly that's dead too.

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            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

              I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

              At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

              Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

              Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

              How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

              I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

              The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

              #NoAI

              ohir@social.vivaldi.netO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @VeeRat
              > When are they going to cut their losses?

              They can't. It is easy to fool a man, getting them to ack they were fooled is next to impossible.

              https://www.groundbrkr.com/p/the-second-derivative-why-no-one

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              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

                At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

                Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

                Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

                How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

                I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

                The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

                #NoAI

                assimilateborg@kind.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @VeeRat make the AI once generate code with does the job. Then run the code. The code always does the same thing as good or bad than yesterday. Don't ask the AI to come up with code to do the same task than yesterday. Sell it as "a nice method to use less tokens for the similar result". Get a raise for optimizing the bullshit machine.

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                • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                  I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

                  At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

                  Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

                  Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

                  How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

                  I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

                  The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

                  #NoAI

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                  #8

                  @VeeRat

                  Using Ai is a teachable skill.

                  The fact that even Ai opponents believe its a magic tool that enables instant competency is telling.

                  I don't know what you tried to do with your workflow, but you can make it as deterministic as your wetware associates.

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                  • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                    @VeeRat

                    Using Ai is a teachable skill.

                    The fact that even Ai opponents believe its a magic tool that enables instant competency is telling.

                    I don't know what you tried to do with your workflow, but you can make it as deterministic as your wetware associates.

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                    #9

                    @n_dimension @VeeRat We want something that is as deterministic as a computer program, which we can obtain by writing a computer program instead of searching the set of random numbers with extra steps.

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                    • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                      I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

                      At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

                      Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

                      Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

                      How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

                      I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

                      The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

                      #NoAI

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                      spacelifeform@infosec.exchange
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                      #10

                      @VeeRat

                      The models are not deterministic, because they ingest new bullshit every day.

                      #AI #Insanity

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                      • smiteri@mstdn.caS smiteri@mstdn.ca

                        @n_dimension @VeeRat We want something that is as deterministic as a computer program, which we can obtain by writing a computer program instead of searching the set of random numbers with extra steps.

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                        #11

                        @smiteri @VeeRat

                        Don't mean to sound patronising.

                        You may need a Good Systems Analyst
                        Sometimes the answer may be "Why are we doing it thus way?" rather than "Write a program".

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                        • pawsplay@dice.campP pawsplay@dice.camp

                          @VeeRat Have you seen the Big Short? The bit where the guy keeps expecting everything to fall, but a bunch of rich assholes keep propping it up while they raid the piggy bank?

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                          venturahwybill@theforkiverse.com
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                          @pawsplay @VeeRat
                          Loved 'The Big Short' ❗️❗️

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                          • assimilateborg@kind.socialA assimilateborg@kind.social

                            @VeeRat make the AI once generate code with does the job. Then run the code. The code always does the same thing as good or bad than yesterday. Don't ask the AI to come up with code to do the same task than yesterday. Sell it as "a nice method to use less tokens for the similar result". Get a raise for optimizing the bullshit machine.

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                            #13

                            @assimilateborg Nah I’m not going to replace my coding team’s jobs with slop.

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                            • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                              I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

                              At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

                              Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

                              Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

                              How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

                              I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

                              The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

                              #NoAI

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                              #14

                              @VeeRat I too have been forced to use it.

                              Current strategy is to get LLM to write scripts, then I get the scripts to do the actual work, so it is predictable day to day.

                              MCP (JSON-RPC underneath the trenchcoats) is fairly amenable to use in scripts.

                              Then to keep the AI usage stats happy I have the script run an LLM at the end to give a "summary", even though the scripts render their own output before that.

                              When the bubble breaks, at least I have the scripts (assuming MCP doesn't also die with it), and I can manually disable the final LLM step.

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                              • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

                                At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

                                Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

                                Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

                                How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

                                I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

                                The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

                                #NoAI

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                                leendaal@rollenspiel.social
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                                @VeeRat its not a tool.

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                                • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                  I keep watching for the AI bubble to burst. It's been so expensive for so little returns.

                                  At work, a senior leader asked me to present on AI. As a manager, I'm expected to adopt it, whether I can use it or not.

                                  Our usage is tracked, so I've had to do some stuff with it. I tried setting up a complex process, since the easy things aren't really time-savers. I presented on this testing, even though I doubt I'm actually going to use it.

                                  Every day, the AI tools seem to interpret the exact same prompts differently. So when I validate the output, it has changed.

                                  How can I add an AI process into my workflow when the output is different every day? How much extra time am I wasting in validating the output? And don't tell me that my prompt is bad. It works until suddenly it doesn't. The tool is bad. Tools shouldn't do that.

                                  I can write programming logic to do the same things. I know the code isn't going to give me different output every time I open it.

                                  The senior leaders are desperate to find use cases for AI. The companies have invested a lot of money and want to see returns, but it's not happening. When are they going to cut their losses?

                                  #NoAI

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                                  #16

                                  @VeeRat

                                  Are you tracked by token use?

                                  The best answer I've heard for this is to set it up on a pointless loop and go do your work the old way.

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                                  • leendaal@rollenspiel.socialL leendaal@rollenspiel.social

                                    @VeeRat its not a tool.

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                                    glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
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                                    @Leendaal @VeeRat

                                    True. It's a cult.

                                    But our demented leaders pretend its a tool ("look, those sacrifices of virgins on the altar of the sun god --- it's not something we want to do, personally. It's just a tool to ensure a good rain and harvest for the next year).

                                    So, when we talk about how unreasonable this is, what the leadership expects, it makes sense to use "tool" in sentences like "this is not a suitable tool"...

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                                    • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                                      @smiteri @VeeRat

                                      Don't mean to sound patronising.

                                      You may need a Good Systems Analyst
                                      Sometimes the answer may be "Why are we doing it thus way?" rather than "Write a program".

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                                      smiteri@mstdn.ca
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                                      #18

                                      @n_dimension @VeeRat The problem to be solved in this story is upper management wanting staff to use AI.

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                                      • veerat@zeroes.caV veerat@zeroes.ca

                                        @assimilateborg Nah I’m not going to replace my coding team’s jobs with slop.

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                                        glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
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                                        #19

                                        @VeeRat @assimilateborg

                                        Apart from the fact, that the time comes where this code would need to be extended or updated just for maintenance reasons (like: "Please use the next version of the library, this has security problems)

                                        And then it mutates.

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                                        • smiteri@mstdn.caS smiteri@mstdn.ca

                                          @n_dimension @VeeRat The problem to be solved in this story is upper management wanting staff to use AI.

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                                          n_dimension@infosec.exchange
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                                          #20

                                          @smiteri @VeeRat

                                          "Show a viable business case" works up as well as down 😀

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