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  3. Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds).

Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds).

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  • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
    molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

    Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

    #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

    ssiekmann@infosec.exchangeS drgroftehauge@sigmoid.socialD neclimdul@hachyderm.ioN tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT lnwirz@mastodon.socialL 27 Replies Last reply
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    • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

      Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

      Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

      #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

      ssiekmann@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
      ssiekmann@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2
      @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io yeah that Reuters falls for this is unforgivable. I mean it’s a technically challenging subject but to explain how a deficit is “recovered” is really much more an accounting 101 issue
      molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM wen@mastodon.scotW 2 Replies Last reply
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      • ssiekmann@infosec.exchangeS ssiekmann@infosec.exchange
        @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io yeah that Reuters falls for this is unforgivable. I mean it’s a technically challenging subject but to explain how a deficit is “recovered” is really much more an accounting 101 issue
        molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @ssiekmann In my experience, a lot of journalists are still pretty unwilling to believe that companies will just lie. And that’s a particularly bad perspective to hold when you’re covering the crypto sector.

        fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF dalias@hachyderm.ioD epic_null@infosec.exchangeE theonedoc@tech.lgbtT freediverx@mastodon.socialF 5 Replies Last reply
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        • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

          Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

          Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

          #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

          drgroftehauge@sigmoid.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @molly0xfff How the fuck do they have this much money to just throw away at a moment's notice? Apple's war chest is less than $150b and it's huge.

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          • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

            Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

            Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

            #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

            neclimdul@hachyderm.ioN This user is from outside of this forum
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            neclimdul@hachyderm.io
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            #5

            @molly0xfff "Covering" aka, passing the cost on to future customers? k...

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            • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

              Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

              Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

              #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

              tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @molly0xfff I wonder how much there is to cover. It apparently makes around £500m a year in profit, so absorbing that much has got to hurt.

              The company assets, which could easily cover it, are presumably owned by other people..

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              • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                @ssiekmann In my experience, a lot of journalists are still pretty unwilling to believe that companies will just lie. And that’s a particularly bad perspective to hold when you’re covering the crypto sector.

                fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @molly0xfff @ssiekmann That's an especially depressing blind spot because it seems like it should be the most familiar part. 'Crypto' likes to exaggerate how much the math really matters; but there are details there that you would expect a finance reporter to need to read up on if they want to get into the weeds. "Shady things happen on quasi-securities markets and people do perjury and fraud sometimes" seem like much more universal concepts.

                henryt@fosstodon.orgH ssiekmann@infosec.exchangeS 2 Replies Last reply
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                • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                  Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                  Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                  #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                  lnwirz@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @molly0xfff What I don't understand is, why any losses are the customers' to begin with and need to be covered explicitly. Wouldn't customer funds and Binance's own funds be all in the same wallet(s), and anyone's balance is just a data base entry? It would seem natural to me that the losses get booked on their own balance entry, and at no time have customer funds, or balances be affected.

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                  • fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.social

                    @molly0xfff @ssiekmann That's an especially depressing blind spot because it seems like it should be the most familiar part. 'Crypto' likes to exaggerate how much the math really matters; but there are details there that you would expect a finance reporter to need to read up on if they want to get into the weeds. "Shady things happen on quasi-securities markets and people do perjury and fraud sometimes" seem like much more universal concepts.

                    henryt@fosstodon.orgH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @fuzzyfuzzyfungus @molly0xfff @ssiekmann Agree. I'd like journalists to get into more detail. Does Binance possess investor's private keys?

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                    • tony@toot.hoyle.me.ukT tony@toot.hoyle.me.uk

                      @molly0xfff I wonder how much there is to cover. It apparently makes around £500m a year in profit, so absorbing that much has got to hurt.

                      The company assets, which could easily cover it, are presumably owned by other people..

                      cal@kind.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @tony @molly0xfff Charles Ponzi perfected the business model many decades ago 🙂

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                      • neclimdul@hachyderm.ioN neclimdul@hachyderm.io

                        @molly0xfff "Covering" aka, passing the cost on to future customers? k...

                        ee@mastodon.nlE This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @neclimdul that's... completely up to the users. If they decide to be customers, they will incur costs.

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                        • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                          Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                          Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                          #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                          float13@masto.hackers.townF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          float13@masto.hackers.town
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                          #12

                          @molly0xfff

                          Please... I've got at least that much just digging through my couch cushions...

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                          • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                            Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                            Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                            #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                            corbet@social.kernel.orgC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13
                            @molly0xfff Bad headlines like this is why I have avoided crypto like the plague...
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                            • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                              Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                              Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                              #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                              chemicaleyeguy@mstdn.scienceC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @molly0xfff #Knords fleeced a bunch of #crypto wankers. 🤷🏻‍♂️ #FAFO #Binance

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                              • fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.social

                                @molly0xfff @ssiekmann That's an especially depressing blind spot because it seems like it should be the most familiar part. 'Crypto' likes to exaggerate how much the math really matters; but there are details there that you would expect a finance reporter to need to read up on if they want to get into the weeds. "Shady things happen on quasi-securities markets and people do perjury and fraud sometimes" seem like much more universal concepts.

                                ssiekmann@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15
                                @fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.social @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io especially since Binance isn’t publicly traded, has a history of shady ownership and financial crimes and there simply is no way a company generating less than $500M profit can easy peasy make $6B apparate. This isn’t Hogwarts. Now I’m learning they have a large private holding of SpaceX and boy does it all make sense. Leverage on leverage on crypto. I wish this would finally all crater like it should. End of rant
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                                • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                                  Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                                  Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                                  #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                                  forced_gump@mstdn.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @molly0xfff the sentence after the one you highlighted says that $5B of the lost assets are the exact token assets that were lost. Why is that not considered recovered? What am I missing? Not supporting them or saying you're wrong, just confused.

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                                  • forced_gump@mstdn.socialF forced_gump@mstdn.social

                                    @molly0xfff the sentence after the one you highlighted says that $5B of the lost assets are the exact token assets that were lost. Why is that not considered recovered? What am I missing? Not supporting them or saying you're wrong, just confused.

                                    molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @forced_gump they’re saying that the company funds are held in the same asset that they’re replacing. For example, they already held ETH that they’ll use to replace the stolen ETH, without having to convert it from some other asset.

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                                    • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                                      Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                                      Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                                      #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                                      ghostonthehalfshell@masto.aiG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @molly0xfff

                                      Super secure public ledger that is not controlled by anyone.

                                      Sure enough, the sovereign individual asshats in the world pretended that they found an exit from society. Like everything else, they fantasize about it.

                                      It doesn’t work that way. Crypto is neither safe or secure.

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                                      • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                                        Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                                        Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                                        #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                                        guardeddon@mas.toG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @molly0xfff
                                        So, I was mistaken in thinking that bitcoin, blockchain based assets, intrinsically included something that would prove ownership.

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                                        • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                                          Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                                          Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                                          #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

                                          rzeta0@mastodon.worldR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @molly0xfff

                                          hahahahahahaha!

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