I'm getting burnt out on all my moderation actions being against fucking AI.
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@geolaw yeah. That's one solution, and I agree with the folx who do it—especially if your instance is mostly people who have another channel in which they're acquainted.
But I don't like that it bars people who don't already have connections here from joining.
I still think moderated signups is the best choice for us, but it's getting more taxing.
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@weirdmustard you can still free-tier that shit (or run a fairly fast model locally if you have a good gaming PC).
But yeah, they're getting more sophisticated (in a bad way).
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@alice Did you read this piece about an AI agent that tried to intrude into the DN42 community? A very strange case of programmatic stubbornness. https://lantian.pub/en/article/fun/ai-agent-bankrupted-their-operator-scan-dn42lantian.lantian/
@christopherkunz @alice i love me some node happiness and color assignment
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@weirdmustard you can still free-tier that shit (or run a fairly fast model locally if you have a good gaming PC).
But yeah, they're getting more sophisticated (in a bad way).
@alice I feel like If it was a smaller project they would target maybe a handful of instancs they really really want to get into but this does seem to target every single instance just to spread out as much as possible. I saw one instance claim they can tell it's the Russians but they didn't give any proof, so.
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It's getting bad. Like 80+% of our instance applications are AI-generated now, and it's a huge waste of time to action them.
There seem to be several different models, and they all use throwaway email providers and VPNs.
We have one model that just "wants community" in a couple sentences, one that is looking for "tech-minded, open source friends", one that just spews word-salad, one that copies and pastes other people's bios, and at least a couple that try various plausible messages.
The better they get, the more resources it takes us to identify and reject them.
They're like fucking fruit flies.
@alice the same is happening on our small instance. We decided to automatically reject any request with disposable emails, which sucks for those who wanted to use them for extra privacy, but it seems the only way to manage the current wave
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@tinker yes, and yes.
Bots are getting better at bypassing CAPTCHAs, but it still stops a lot of them.
Typically, bots farm out advanced CAPTCHAs to Amazon Turk-style services where they pay like a penny for each solved CAPTCHA.
@alice @tinker I wonder if reverse captchas would work on them, they used to work on the really dumb bots
You add an extra form field and hide it with CSS. Any request where that field isn’t blank is rejected, since bots tend to fill out all of the fields. I don’t know how well it works on the newer stuff though
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@alice checking email addresses has been my go-to. If it points at a disposal email provider, that's an instant block.
I have been noodling around with a bot that can block the obvious ones
@protocol7 @alice we'd definitely be interested in any updates on this
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@alice @tinker I wonder if reverse captchas would work on them, they used to work on the really dumb bots
You add an extra form field and hide it with CSS. Any request where that field isn’t blank is rejected, since bots tend to fill out all of the fields. I don’t know how well it works on the newer stuff though
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I'm getting burnt out on all my moderation actions being against fucking AI. Like, I never thought I'd say it, but I miss suspending Nazis and bigots—at least they were real people who would give up after a while—these LLMs just go on and on, and they don't give a shit if they're suspended or rejected.
#FuckLLMs (but also #FuckNazis and #FuckBigots)
@alice Hello, i'm a human, i swear.. It's my first time commenting in Mastodon since i'm here for like... Half a year? idk i forgot when i created my first account (That is is my second also) and my english is like begginer level..
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@alice Hello, i'm a human, i swear.. It's my first time commenting in Mastodon since i'm here for like... Half a year? idk i forgot when i created my first account (That is is my second also) and my english is like begginer level..
@naitir_ that is an oddly suspicious first post for a human.
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@naitir_ that is an oddly suspicious first post for a human.
@alice Sry, im kinda shy bcs i left discord for like 4 year ago and that place hurted me. Idk
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