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  3. The staff at our local independent bookshop make a display with tiny hand-crafted editions of each book that has been included in their monthly Bookpack subscription.

The staff at our local independent bookshop make a display with tiny hand-crafted editions of each book that has been included in their monthly Bookpack subscription.

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  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

    @Michigander That's a really interesting thought.

    "I wonder if short stories rely more on direct common human instincts and understandings between author and reader to deliver meaning?"

    Good insight. Yes, I think they do.

    Now I'm thinking about this comment Judith Hermann made at a talk.

    "Short stories are often sad and often open-ended. They draw you in, and when they end, it’s like you’re left standing in the rain."

    AI-created text isn't subtle enough to make you feel left in the rain.

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    @CiaraNi @Michigander Ooh. I want to draw a connection between short stories and a kind of visual art that is so spare and economical that it requires a very high level of skill.

    Like the attached famous Rembrandt sketch, which is evocative and completely brings the woman to life with an astonishingly small number of brushstrokes. And none that are not absolutely necessary.

    Novels, in painting terms, are made up of so many brushstrokes, none of them matters as much.

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      @CiaraNi @Michigander Ooh. I want to draw a connection between short stories and a kind of visual art that is so spare and economical that it requires a very high level of skill.

      Like the attached famous Rembrandt sketch, which is evocative and completely brings the woman to life with an astonishingly small number of brushstrokes. And none that are not absolutely necessary.

      Novels, in painting terms, are made up of so many brushstrokes, none of them matters as much.

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      @Gaolaitch Perhaps the parallel is with poetry where economy of words is often matched by the vivid imagery produced (and ultimately by Haiku where so much is said by so little). ❤️ @CiaraNi @Michigander

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      • gaolaitch@cupoftea.socialG gaolaitch@cupoftea.social

        @CiaraNi @Michigander Ooh. I want to draw a connection between short stories and a kind of visual art that is so spare and economical that it requires a very high level of skill.

        Like the attached famous Rembrandt sketch, which is evocative and completely brings the woman to life with an astonishingly small number of brushstrokes. And none that are not absolutely necessary.

        Novels, in painting terms, are made up of so many brushstrokes, none of them matters as much.

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        @Gaolaitch @Michigander That's a great comparison. That's exactly how I feel about short stories. They are both intense and sparse at the same time, with no room for wasted words. In writing and in art, as you say, that requires a rare level of skill. Including the skill to know when unwritten words and undrawn lines are an integral part of the artwork.

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        • gaolaitch@cupoftea.socialG gaolaitch@cupoftea.social

          @CiaraNi @Michigander Ooh. I want to draw a connection between short stories and a kind of visual art that is so spare and economical that it requires a very high level of skill.

          Like the attached famous Rembrandt sketch, which is evocative and completely brings the woman to life with an astonishingly small number of brushstrokes. And none that are not absolutely necessary.

          Novels, in painting terms, are made up of so many brushstrokes, none of them matters as much.

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          @Gaolaitch @CiaraNi @Michigander - the Rembrandt may be, and was maybe intended to be ... deceptive. In the areas that the human mind scans with low resolution, the strokes are casual. But the eyes look they are composed by pushing each brush hair into the intended position. Genius, of course.

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          • wavesculptor@climatejustice.socialW wavesculptor@climatejustice.social

            @Gaolaitch @CiaraNi @Michigander - the Rembrandt may be, and was maybe intended to be ... deceptive. In the areas that the human mind scans with low resolution, the strokes are casual. But the eyes look they are composed by pushing each brush hair into the intended position. Genius, of course.

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            @wavesculptor @CiaraNi @Michigander Yes, that is a good visual equivalent of leaving out parts of a story that the reader will assemble in their head.

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            • tompearce49@mastodon.scotT tompearce49@mastodon.scot

              @Gaolaitch Perhaps the parallel is with poetry where economy of words is often matched by the vivid imagery produced (and ultimately by Haiku where so much is said by so little). ❤️ @CiaraNi @Michigander

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              @tompearce49 @CiaraNi @Michigander Hmm yes you may be right, in that way, the Rembrandt is closer to a haiku than to a short story. But on a slightly different axis to the one about artistic skill required. I was conflating the two in my original post, I think.

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              • gaolaitch@cupoftea.socialG gaolaitch@cupoftea.social

                @tompearce49 @CiaraNi @Michigander Hmm yes you may be right, in that way, the Rembrandt is closer to a haiku than to a short story. But on a slightly different axis to the one about artistic skill required. I was conflating the two in my original post, I think.

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                @Gaolaitch

                Oh, it was in no way a criticism, and you are quite right, the economy of brush strokes is the true measure of the skill that Rembrandt had (and in any case, what do I know of art!!)
                @CiaraNi @Michigander

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                • tompearce49@mastodon.scotT tompearce49@mastodon.scot

                  @Gaolaitch

                  Oh, it was in no way a criticism, and you are quite right, the economy of brush strokes is the true measure of the skill that Rembrandt had (and in any case, what do I know of art!!)
                  @CiaraNi @Michigander

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                  @tompearce49 (Not taken as)

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                  • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                    I was reminded of those readerly pleasures after @tokeriis shared this. An IT consultant boasting on national TV about his ‘AI book factory’. Each AI 'book' takes 30-60 minutes to make. He's published 35 so far.

                    “It’s still art and creativity, just in a different way than we’re used to. Making the prompt, the system instruction that gets the AI to do this, is creative too."

                    The bit that makes me want to cry: the biggest chain of bookshops in Denmark is stocking them.

                    https://helvede.net/@tokeriis/116741432343112495

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                    #19

                    @CiaraNi @tokeriis
                    (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻

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                    • hemlockcookie@mas.toH hemlockcookie@mas.to

                      @CiaraNi @tokeriis
                      (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻

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                      @hemlockcookie @tokeriis I'm failing a translation test here. A despairing gesticulating figure; unhappy; going to hang a hammock from two poles to relax in while reading a book by a human writer. Maybe.

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                      • ciarani@mastodon.greenC ciarani@mastodon.green

                        @hemlockcookie @tokeriis I'm failing a translation test here. A despairing gesticulating figure; unhappy; going to hang a hammock from two poles to relax in while reading a book by a human writer. Maybe.

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                        #21

                        @CiaraNi Haha sorry! Shouldn't have assumed.
                        It is a well known kaomoji (Japanese emoji) that depicts a person flipping a table in rage/frustration.
                        Some variations replace the table by a word, like:
                        (╯°□°)╯︵ɹǝʌǝʇɐɥʍ
                        (╯°□°)╯︵ ʞooqǝɔɐɟ
                        (╯°□°)╯︵dol$oɹɔᴉW

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                        • hemlockcookie@mas.toH hemlockcookie@mas.to

                          @CiaraNi Haha sorry! Shouldn't have assumed.
                          It is a well known kaomoji (Japanese emoji) that depicts a person flipping a table in rage/frustration.
                          Some variations replace the table by a word, like:
                          (╯°□°)╯︵ɹǝʌǝʇɐɥʍ
                          (╯°□°)╯︵ ʞooqǝɔɐɟ
                          (╯°□°)╯︵dol$oɹɔᴉW

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                          @hemlockcookie Ah! That is brilliant. And looking back, I should have worked that out. Tak - this is my new favourite thing.

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