The names of the abusers are in the files.
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@forse Agreed. We either have to elect new leaders (which they won't allow either) or take care of it by force. But being an armchair revolutionary isn't very helpful for society.
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@forse @aburtch
Sorry, what I’m saying is that a lot of problems start when people or institutions deliberately stay vague. They do this so they don’t have to fully commit to anything and can always back out later. That kind of ambiguity feels safe in the short term, but over time it’s one of the main ways societies break down.Once it becomes cheap or easy to look coherent and responsible, without actually being grounded in reality, the system stops trying to solve real problems. Instead, it just tries to avoid blame and reduce obvious failures. There’s no solid feedback loop to tell institutions, “this isn’t working,” so they drift further away from reality. That’s how we end up with systems that seem stable on the surface but are failing underneath.
@Netraven @aburtch Ok, thanks for the clarification.
The argument seems fair, but still assumes that institutions are there to improve society.The problem is that institutions, as they are now, are a magnet for people who are thirsty for power.
All else being equal, in a game of "gaining power" someone who only wants power will **always** have an advantage over someone who has some other principle.
That's how we find ourselves in a society where greedy sociopaths are over-represented at the top.
The incoherence and ambiguity you mention are consequences of people caring about power instead than caring about doing a good job.
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@Netraven @aburtch Ok, thanks for the clarification.
The argument seems fair, but still assumes that institutions are there to improve society.The problem is that institutions, as they are now, are a magnet for people who are thirsty for power.
All else being equal, in a game of "gaining power" someone who only wants power will **always** have an advantage over someone who has some other principle.
That's how we find ourselves in a society where greedy sociopaths are over-represented at the top.
The incoherence and ambiguity you mention are consequences of people caring about power instead than caring about doing a good job.
@forse @Netraven @aburtch that's what they said, in different words. One's identity being tied to their power is what causes them to chase power. & The ability to maintain a reputation separate from reality creates a gap that must be filled by power to maintain/grow. Regardless if it's at the institutional or individual level, the point is to separate action from consequence for as long as possible, externalizing all costs down hierarchy.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch society isn't over; it's been revealed. Has been this way from the start. Everything that happened on Epstein Island was happening in plantations. It being "okay" then but not now is racism.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch Police departments don't have qualms about taking someone's car without a conviction.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch aburtch…….this isn’t anything new. This particular case is right in your face, but abusers have been given access to children for millennia by both society at large and our specific legal system.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
Society isn't over. Pretending that fascist scandals can result in consequences without removing the people and conditions of fascism is over.
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@forse @Netraven @aburtch that's what they said, in different words. One's identity being tied to their power is what causes them to chase power. & The ability to maintain a reputation separate from reality creates a gap that must be filled by power to maintain/grow. Regardless if it's at the institutional or individual level, the point is to separate action from consequence for as long as possible, externalizing all costs down hierarchy.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch this is what guillotines are made for
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@SharonCrockett There should be no place for pedophiles in our society. Doesn't matter who or what background they come from.
Does six feet under count as a place in society? /j
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@aburtch @JakeKb I'm not really seeing that at all. Everyone I know is shook to their core. It's just that they still have to put food on the table and make sure the kids' brains don't explode, so they try to retain some normalcy and income. But people are organizing, people are trying different things. The revolution will not be digitized--it's on the street. The tech lords and media are part of the fascist regime. The organizing won't be on social media. I recommend getting into zines.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch I was thinking this just last night. I was watching a video that was detailing stuff and I'm like why are these people still out on the streets? Why are they not all rotting in a cell?
It's just so far beyond sick.
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I'm still waiting for the many "Evangelicals" and Catholics who voted for the Fascist-in-Chief to call for his impeachment and not just his but also the tech and other CEOs prosecution.
They'll say nothing, worried if we go after the Epstein class, they'll come after abusers in the clergy.
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@aburtch I was thinking this just last night. I was watching a video that was detailing stuff and I'm like why are these people still out on the streets? Why are they not all rotting in a cell?
It's just so far beyond sick.
@retrosponge @aburtch its because theyre rich. no other reason.
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@retrosponge @aburtch its because theyre rich. no other reason.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch this does clear something up, if you or your children are sexually assaulted then the best thing you can do is personally punish the person who did it as you see fit, because the US criminal justice system will never punish them even with video evidence, pictures & a written admission of what they did, so you need to be the one who holds them to account...
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
NOOOOOOOOO!
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@retrosponge @aburtch its because theyre rich. no other reason.
@emily_rugburn @aburtch Fucking vile.
Saw something else earlier that said about the system would collapse without them. Well, that sounds like a system that's in dire need of collapsing.
We'd survive, and hopefully decent people would rise in their place, assuming it's possible to be rich and decent.
