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  • cynaq@beige.partyC cynaq@beige.party

    @Daojoan I don’t think the internet did that organically. There’s major marketing involved in turning books into a basic consumable.

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    #53

    @CynAq @Daojoan

    some books are basic consumables

    some GENRES are basic consumables

    i sometimes wonder if non romance readers have ANY clue about how many many many gay hockey romances were published every month (almost all by self published authors) since (i wanna say) maybe 2012 or 2013 before the world took notice and made a TV series

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    • nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.socialN nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social

      @Nicovel0 @Daojoan It is so hard to just... stop reading/watching/etc with stuff, but... sometimes one really really needs to just do it...

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      #54

      I've gotten used to it. If a show doesn't hold my interest past episode 3 or 4, it's done for me. It's why I've never watched much beloved shows who take 3 seasons to get good like DS9. I got better shit to do then slog through multiple seasons of "it's fine I guess" when there's so much else to watch.

      @nazokiyoubinbou @Nicovel0 @Daojoan

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      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

        I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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        #55

        @Daojoan I heard this on #BookTok.

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        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

          I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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          #56

          @Daojoan @briankrebs I love this ❤

          I do think it can be beneficial to see reading & thinking as a practice - until recently I had fallen out of reading books & had a fear that I was somehow left behind. Especially when seeing lists and recommendations that seemed so far beyond what I had time or energy for.

          Lately I've been reading whatever makes me keep reading, and I'm not focused on a number of books, rather I want reading to be something I do most days and something I do to relax.

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          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

            I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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            #57

            @Daojoan same for soo many good things in life ruined because of competition 😭

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            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

              I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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              #58

              @Daojoan One thing I like to do is to limit myself to read only one hour each day (specially with Philosophy books), so I can think about the book the rest of the day.

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              • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                #59

                @Daojoan

                Me: I just finished "War and Peace" last night!
                Gimli: Still only counts as one!

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                • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                  I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                  #60

                  @Daojoan I assure you lists of what you have read and reading counts were invented by people (and schools!) well before the internet.

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                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                    I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                    #61

                    @Daojoan

                    Before the internet, I used to read at least 1 book every week or two.

                    At some point in the mid to late 2000's... That slowed to just a few a year.

                    Then in the mid to late 2010's... I started reading a little more again... at least one book a month on avg.

                    I still read a lot... but it's articles online now that take up a large chunk of it... I switched to reading books on a tablet sometime around 12-13yrs ago

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                    • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                      I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                      #62

                      @Daojoan Some books are meant to be read slowly, so you keep thinking about them. Similar to a good wine than you sip instead cheap alcohol that you chug

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                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                        I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                        #63

                        @Daojoan @briankrebs THAT’S the worst thing the internet has done???

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                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                          I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                          #64

                          @Daojoan The stack of books at my bedside won't read themselves unless I make goals regarding reading time. (hour a day at the very least) I also belong to a book club, so I try to have the book of the month read for discussion purposes.

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                          • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                            I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                            #65

                            @Daojoan I am teaching an afterschool "Immersive Book Club" this semester for my 3-5 grade kids. We have a chart in the classroom that starts with "Its okay to give up on a book."

                            I cant believe how many kids found this concept to be shocking.

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                            • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                              I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                              #66

                              @Daojoan Thanks! I needed to hear that today.

                              In my pre-teen and early teen years, I would read so much that sometimes, I would be caught unaware by the morning light just to realize that I had read all night and now had to go to school.

                              MANY concussions later, I can't read a book. I can't connect the events on one page to the events on another, and sometimes not even to events earlier on the page.

                              It's as though my contemporary brain narrates books rather than reading them.

                              When I miss that feeling of reading, I usually open one of those books that I read when I was reading all night. Stories so ingrained in my brain that I can read them without feeling completely lost.

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                              • hugoestr@functional.cafeH hugoestr@functional.cafe

                                @Daojoan Some books are meant to be read slowly, so you keep thinking about them. Similar to a good wine than you sip instead cheap alcohol that you chug

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                                #67

                                @hugoestr @Daojoan I've been doing several "slow reads" lately. Either by reading a chapter a week - currently doing Carl Sagan's Cosmos for that. Or a little each day for really long books. I recently finished the audiobook of Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, which I started in December and listened to about 30 minutes a day most days. And it worked really well like that. I felt had had time to absorb and remember stuff, rather than rushing onwards and forgetting.

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                                • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                  I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                                  #68

                                  @Daojoan All while school generally focusses on what is measurable - grammar - killing interest and blinding children to the sheer joy of reading for pleasure.

                                  Do no head teachers ever question teaching perverted by testing?

                                  A Chinese boy I played Go with online loved chatting with me as conversational English was a profound release from intense grammar focus in China.

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                                  • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                    I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                                    #69

                                    @Daojoan same with movies and Letterboxd. I saw a thing where people try to watch 1000 movies a year and unless it's your literal job I can't imagine being able to watch and process and genuinely appreciate that many movies

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                                    • beecycling@wandering.shopB beecycling@wandering.shop

                                      @hugoestr @Daojoan I've been doing several "slow reads" lately. Either by reading a chapter a week - currently doing Carl Sagan's Cosmos for that. Or a little each day for really long books. I recently finished the audiobook of Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, which I started in December and listened to about 30 minutes a day most days. And it worked really well like that. I felt had had time to absorb and remember stuff, rather than rushing onwards and forgetting.

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                                      #70

                                      @hugoestr @Daojoan Next one will be David Copperfield. Another 30+ hours long audiobook. And Dickens is absolutely meant to be taken slow! The first people who read the big serialised books took like TWO YEARS to get that whole story.

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                                      • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                        I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                                        #71

                                        @Daojoan even worse, imo, was when nanowrimo was big and people were sharing their tips for hitting the word count that made the product completely unreadable. Adding five to ten extraneous adjectives per sentence, lengthy recaps of the plot so far, having characters mishear dialogue for no reason other than to have it repeated. Just a complete misunderstanding of the point of writing

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                                        • daojoan@mastodon.socialD daojoan@mastodon.social

                                          I genuinely think the worst thing the internet did to reading was convince people that finishing books is a competitive sport. You don't need to read 52 books a year. You just need to read. Books you like. At your own pace. And think about them for longer than a TikTok video.

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                                          #72

                                          @Daojoan @RalphBassfeld I did the 52 books in one year thing once. Just to have done it. I agree with Joan's post!

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