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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    NO NO NO NO NO! Flashy polished looking webpages that no one has accountability for run absolutely counter to the common good when it comes to a health information ecosystem AND an informed public.

    (Also, "Antigravity"? Yeah, you want us to think this is very cool science fiction and/or magic. Not buying it.)

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    #20

    @emilymbender it *is* completely ungrounded 🙄

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    • arestelle@dice.campA arestelle@dice.camp

      @emilymbender it *is* completely ungrounded 🙄

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      #21

      @arestelle I see what you did there!

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

        https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

        A short thread
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        #22

        @emilymbender I use #DuckDuckGo

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

          https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

          A short thread
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          lindasgoluppiart@mastodonapp.ukL This user is from outside of this forum
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          #23

          @emilymbender In all honesty, I believe it has been over for some time.....

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            #24

            @hamishb @emilymbender there’s an opt-out function??

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              We followed a couple of years later with further arguments about, inter alia, protecting the information ecosystem:
              https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3649468

              While Nora Lindemann was writing about similar ideas:
              https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00146-024-01944-w

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              #25

              @emilymbender i want you to know your repeated scientific deconstruction of google's ideological warfare under the guise of a search interface has enabled me to extrapolate at great length how the entire formalisms of automata theory have been constructed to exclude any investigation that could ever produce a paper with more than 1% performance improvement over their state of the art. parsing and formal languages has been dead for several decades.

              google calls it a "parser confusion vulnerability" when python maintainers use features of the zip file format in their own published releases that make it impossible for specifically google to insert a cryptograpic backdoor onto their users' machines (because google owns pypi), while at the same time the python METADATA file format actively right now supports an "ambiguity' intentionally invisible to human reviewers but instructs the standard packaging software to download and execute code that won't show up in the output.

              just as you said:

              We revisit foundational work related to information behavior, information seeking, information retrieval, information filtering, and information access to resurface what we know about these fundamental questions and what may be missing.

              i very recently realized these questions can be quantified in the field of operating system design, in a really drastic sense that led me to switch my research focus because i'm confident i can convince people every computer should work this way.

              just this weekend i realized (quite by mistake) that a fact i'd known since 2019, when google made mozila and twitter lay off their teams of scientists who had just publicly demonstrated that google chrome and bazel products were neither "fast" nor "correct", in ways that are easily and obviously quantifiable, also represented a shocking and obvious failure in the entire theory of operating system design. not just that computers are slow and fail to protect the user, but how demonstrate a thrilling counterexample

              which is to say, after an intensive literature review (including "standards" for "portable" behavior that were neither), i'm confident i've identified a novel property for computer security which results from a computer performance property that i could already prove 12 ways from sunday. and i now know how to construct a system that achieves both.

              i found a dissertation from the single person who tried something pretty close https://circumstances.run/@hipsterelectron/116602585443289491 but otherwise i have performed sufficient literature review to be confident i can express this result in a way that will convince any convince anyone familiar with the field that there's a whole other field they'd been missing this whole time.

              and it will run on a computer or phone, to protect people from harm. it demonstrates how the temporal and spatial structure of computer memory in response to user input can be described as a correctness property of the operating system. like i did to google's bazel, it will defeat them in their own terms

              thank you

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              • S shadsterling@mastodon.social

                @hamishb @emilymbender there’s an opt-out function??

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                #26

                @ShadSterling @hamishb @emilymbender

                Yes works for me https://support.google.com/websearch/thread/381948916/how-to-shut-down-and-delete-the-ai-mode-from-google?hl=en

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  More stenography here. Google starting shoving the "AI Overviews" into query results as an opt-out situation. That is, you have to take action to have them not pop up. I don't doubt they are *shown to* 2.5 billion monthly users, but that doesn't mean they are used by as many or desired by them.

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                  #27

                  @emilymbender Priority is on maximising usage. Sure, they lose money on every user, but they will make it up on scale.

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

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                    #28

                    @emilymbender Links become an afterthought. Websites see their traffic plummet because the LLM is summarising everything on the search page. No one sees the ads, sites go out of business, LLM has no new data to train on and starts to lag behind current events.

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                    • romli@social.vivaldi.netR romli@social.vivaldi.net

                      @ShadSterling @hamishb @emilymbender

                      Yes works for me https://support.google.com/websearch/thread/381948916/how-to-shut-down-and-delete-the-ai-mode-from-google?hl=en

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                      #29

                      @romli @hamishb @emilymbender for the AI overview that precedes any actual search results, that link doesn’t describe a persistent opt-out, only a per-search bypass with “ -ai”. Which is a start

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        Look, I hate pointy-clicky interfaces as much as the next Gen-Xer (let me use the keyboard, dammit) but it is so weird to reduce the important, and importantly effortful, work of navigating the information ecosystem to the apparent drudgery of clicking on links that are (*shudder*) blue!!!

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                        #30

                        @emilymbender the 'people acting on information' part is pretty dehumanising as well. As of humans are just a cog in their loop, rather than their product being in ours.

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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

                          https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

                          A short thread
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                          #31

                          @emilymbender

                          SEO is going to be so dead.

                          To me, it’s Search Engines Ostracism now.

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                          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                            Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

                            https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

                            A short thread
                            🧵>>

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                            #32

                            @emilymbender Google will not be satisfied until they control information and people are stuck on their landing page with their version of information.

                            It's been a ongoing trend to pull more and more into their page from sources and now even rewrite it.

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                              #33

                              @hamishb @emilymbender the best opt-out mode is using another search engine. Google search enshittification has been going on for at least 5 years. At this point it is just masochism to use it.

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                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

                                https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

                                A short thread
                                🧵>>

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                                #34

                                @emilymbender yeah, even for someone who is pro-tech and interested in AI developments, this @TechCrunch piece read like a press release. It was journalistically extremely weak to the point I felt dumber for reading it.

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                                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                  Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

                                  https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

                                  A short thread
                                  🧵>>

                                  eurospoofer@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #35

                                  @emilymbender 2.5 billion users a month they claim.
                                  Having an AI summary forced into every search doesn't make the searcher a user of the tech. How many people simply ignore the summary?

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                                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                    Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

                                    https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

                                    A short thread
                                    🧵>>

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                                    #36

                                    @emilymbender The good news: nobody needs #google. I've blocked all their MTAs, and resisted using their apps for quite some time. No problems so far.

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                                      #37

                                      @emilymbender google is so unreliable now, it's time for them to lose their worldwide use of "google" as a verb.

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                                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                        NO NO NO NO NO! Flashy polished looking webpages that no one has accountability for run absolutely counter to the common good when it comes to a health information ecosystem AND an informed public.

                                        (Also, "Antigravity"? Yeah, you want us to think this is very cool science fiction and/or magic. Not buying it.)

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                                        #38

                                        @emilymbender Exactly!

                                        I understand that business value propositions change over time, but going from "we disrupted search by making a simple interface" to "we ruptured search by making our simple interface complicated (and terrible)" is. well, it's certainly. a choice.

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          How infantilizing --- you thought you were looking to find something that someone else wrote on the web. But woah! Now you've been "dropped into" an "interactive experience". Yeah, Google can just fuck right off with that.

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                                          #39

                                          @emilymbender
                                          Yeah, if somebody is still using Google Search, now is the time to get off it. There are other search engines out there.

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