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  3. I've never been opposed to the word "hallucinating" for describing how AI makes mistakes ... until now.

I've never been opposed to the word "hallucinating" for describing how AI makes mistakes ... until now.

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  • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

    The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

    "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

    "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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    #66

    @grammargirl
    Everything LLM based "AI" generates is hallucination. It's just that in more than 50% of cases those hallucinations resemble facts.

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    • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

      The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

      "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

      "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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      #67

      @grammargirl

      I'd like to suggest that the core of the problem here is that the pace of technological development is outstripping the pace of the evolution of our language to adequately describe it. I think we will have to come up with new words, or at least appropriate some more obscure ones to the cause with updated definitions.

      (All that said, I think "botfarts" or, in less polite company, "botshit" kind of works, no?)

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      • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

        The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

        "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

        "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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        #68

        @grammargirl a lot of people used to say "no it's not *hallucination* it's *confabulation*." Confabulation is the thing the human brain does that is somewhat analogous to what AI does: confidently believing in something that we just made up and sounds right but is entirely fiction. Confabulation is how many people explain their own behavior when questioned, but also how many people get through interviews, or make business deals, or mansplain …

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        • orionkidder@writing.exchangeO orionkidder@writing.exchange

          @RnDanger @elfburgerman @gotofritz @AccordionBruce @grammargirl Exactly. Making machines seem like magic, seem like they have no internal mechanism, is a common tactic. It's why we refer to external hard drives that we don't own or control as "the cloud."

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          #69

          @orionkidder @RnDanger @elfburgerman @AccordionBruce @grammargirl

          Sounds all a bit conspiracy theory to me.

          There is nothing positive about "hallucinating", I wouldn't ride a bus if I knew the driver was prone to hallucinating

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            #70

            @eestileib 💯 @grammargirl

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            • gotofritz@hachyderm.ioG gotofritz@hachyderm.io

              @orionkidder @RnDanger @elfburgerman @AccordionBruce @grammargirl

              Sounds all a bit conspiracy theory to me.

              There is nothing positive about "hallucinating", I wouldn't ride a bus if I knew the driver was prone to hallucinating

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              #71

              @gotofritz @RnDanger @elfburgerman @AccordionBruce @grammargirl It's a marketing tactic.

              And the problem with the metaphor of hallucination was explained at the top of the thread.

              I'll be blocking you if you keep playing ignorant.

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              • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

                "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

                "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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                #72

                @grammargirl @photovotary

                none of the people using this word have ever experienced an hallucination

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                • orionkidder@writing.exchangeO orionkidder@writing.exchange

                  @grammargirl This is a good example of why that term is so dangerous. Thank you for posting it.

                  That said, while I have zero hope of making that term go away, we also have the word "slop" as a counter.

                  "Ugh. It had a hallucination..."

                  "Yup. And the results are now slop."

                  That said, I don't myself use "hallucination" in the "AI" context. I refer to the error rate, which last I checked, hovered around 40%.

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                  #73

                  @orionkidder @grammargirl I refuse to use it and anthropomorphize a computer failing.

                  It’s like “pro life.” No, it’s “give birth or die trying.” We need to call things what they are.

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                  • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                    The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

                    "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

                    "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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                    #74

                    @grammargirl

                    I have always liked Harry Frankfurt's definition of 'bullshit' as the boasting of a statement, one utterly without regard for its truth or falsity, but delivered with outright certainty.

                    So 'hallucination' might be the industry-standard lie, but I've simply come to call these machines 'bullshit engines'. Whether they are right doesn't matter, but they sure do sound like they know...

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                    • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                      The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

                      "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

                      "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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                      #75

                      @grammargirl It’s a fancy-sounding excuse for having precision issues with floating-point math, which they cover by adding randomness and calling it a feature (“temperature”).

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                      • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                        The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

                        "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

                        "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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                        #76

                        @grammargirl Totally agree, but I think it's more complicated than replacing "hallucinates" with another wording like "makes mistakes confidently". For some people answering confidently equals knowing. A genuine, friendly manner equals trustworthiness. Coherence equals truth. They're judging doesn't rely on fact-checking information but on communication behavior. And these machines are quite good in mimicking human communication.

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                        • rndanger@infosec.exchangeR rndanger@infosec.exchange

                          @AccordionBruce @orionkidder @grammargirl
                          Exactly this.
                          Hallucination is an act of cognition. The machine doesn't

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                          #77

                          @RnDanger
                          And hallucinations are almost always pathological. A sign that a person needs help - possibly very urgently and/or for a very long time.

                          @AccordionBruce @orionkidder @grammargirl

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                          • grammargirl@zirk.usG grammargirl@zirk.us

                            The word "hallucination" isn't going away — it's a widely used industry term — but we need to explain it better for beginners:

                            "Hallucination" is just a fancy word for "confidently makes mistakes":

                            "Remember: AI hallucinates, and you need to confirm all facts" should be something like "Remember: AI confidently makes mistakes, and you need to confirm all facts" or "AI tells you things that are wrong in a way that sounds completely believable. Confirm all facts!"

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                            #78

                            @grammargirl
                            That's an interesting observation, ty for sharing.

                            The problem is however, that this persons understanding of the medical concept 'hallucination' is wrong. IMHO correcting the error where it occurs would be much better than your approach of redefining a well-defined & established medical term.
                            Thus I'd suggest taking the definition ("a perception for which there is no verifiable external stimulus") and put it into context: The "AI" is talking clearly, but about non-existent stuff.

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