I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it

[lambdacalculus@masto.hackers.town]

@eniko Well done!

[zwol@masto.hackers.town]

@eniko I seriously wonder how many of those are in aid of some kind of scam.

[401matthall@mastodon.xyz]

@eniko

"I was able to rapidly go from prototype to finished product using Agentic AI!"

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"Steve, nobody is using your finished product."

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"Well, it was a horrible idea that nobody wanted to build. So... Yeah.'

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[nini@oldbytes.space]

@scavello @eniko "Flooding the zone with shit" applies to everything.

[scavello@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@nini @eniko I mean, pretty much every dev I see on GDP complains about having to market their game so people can find it

[ozzelot@mstdn.social]

@eniko
A victory, then.

[jaye@theforkiverse.com]

@eniko @alice the flood of junk apps is so frustrating on both maintainers trying to organize a collection and the people trying to find genuinely useful apps.

[petealexharris@mastodon.scot]

@eniko
This looks exactly like how there are a vastly increased number of ebooks available on Amazon.

[0x0961h@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@dome @jargoggles @eniko Your problem is that it's "good enough" in your non-programmer eyes. For now.

And then you'll find yourself wondering why it 100%s your GPU in idle.

And then starts the "burning through tokens trying to add more features or fix old stuff that suddenly was overwritten during ai hiccup" dance.

[0x0961h@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@dome @jargoggles @eniko (Non-ethical) problem with vibe code is that while you might find ai useful for _producing_ code, it's not useful for _supporting_ it.

Just like ai "artist" can't fix slop because they have no idea how light works, how clothes works, and fixing ai "art" with ai just makes a new image leaving nothing from the old iteration.

[0x0961h@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@dome @jargoggles @eniko Why do you think code slop is any different from art slop? It's the same LLM technology under all this crap about productivity no one asked for.

[0x0961h@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@eniko You're just a left-behind hater. /s

[dacmot@sunny.garden]

@dome "This thing I made with AI that doesn't show up in search results is AMAZING! Trust me bro. I have years of experience in everything related to it, except it."

@jargoggles @eniko

[dome@social.ztfr.eu]

@dacmot @jargoggles @eniko I just recently started building this fork. Why should it be well known and wide spread? And its open source so just look at the code if you are worried.

[jan0h4ck@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@eniko big AI doesn't want you to know this

[nini@oldbytes.space]

@scavello @eniko And now their job of marketing is taking up more of their time so that complaint is only going to get louder, right?

[enot@masto.hackers.town]

@nini @scavello @eniko looking at you video game marketplaces

[iagondiscord@wetdry.world]

@eniko I'm in the Pokemon romhacking scene and it's surprisingly very mixed on AI, and I personally have to push
There are two important tools that are being/have been developed with significant Claude usage and they're both decent at least (one of which I can no longer live without)
It has a sort of reasonable use case and that is rapid development, because it automates a lot of the boilerplate away; both developers are experienced programmers/computer scientists and I believe they wrote the important logic themselves
However, this development paradigm is definitely the exception and not the norm; most people have no clue what they're doing and have AI write the entire codebase, inevitably leading to logic bugs and unmaintainable messes (though that is par for the course with industrial software development, so not much is new there)

Edit: To clarify, I don't use AI (for countless reasons), but through talking with others I realize that there are some (very rare) scenarios where AI isn't completely dogshit
Still don't like it though

[benaveling@infosec.exchange]

I can’t imagine anyone successfully using AI to create aps for other ppl.
I can imagine someone creating an ap that does something that they and only they need. @eniko

[dacmot@sunny.garden]

@dome yeah... no. I'm not going to waste my time reading slop.

You can keep digging that hole on the beach you thought was cool. And yeah, it's neat when you're down to your knees. Not so much when you're so deep you can't climb out again. My unsolicited advice to you is: stop.

@jargoggles @eniko