For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy.
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@quixoticgeek Apparently this has actually been addressed in the comics at some point; it transpires that Gotham is literally cursed and thus unfixable, and it takes all Bruce Wayne's wealth and Batman's badassery just to keep it at the current level of dystopia
@Dalillama that feels a lot like someone trying to retcon the fact Bruce Wayne is a shit.
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
@quixoticgeek this is one of the reasons I liked the movie Batman Returns so much, the plot kind of underscored that by emphasizing the wealth of the antagonists and the amazing indifference they had towards regular people
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@Dalillama that feels a lot like someone trying to retcon the fact Bruce Wayne is a shit.
@quixoticgeek That's undoubtedly part of it, but it's also narrative necessity: in order for Batman to exist, Gotham needs to be a shadowy dystopia. If he actually fixes anything in the long term, the comics are over. Since he's super competent and also super rich (Wayne's wealth has grown considerably over the decades), there must be an external factor stopping him from ever fixing anything, otherwise he'd have won by now.
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@uriel is that a signature in a Mastodon post ?!?!
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@quixoticgeek That's undoubtedly part of it, but it's also narrative necessity: in order for Batman to exist, Gotham needs to be a shadowy dystopia. If he actually fixes anything in the long term, the comics are over. Since he's super competent and also super rich (Wayne's wealth has grown considerably over the decades), there must be an external factor stopping him from ever fixing anything, otherwise he'd have won by now.
@Dalillama yes. His unwillingness to simplify pay to fix the problems. The fact he's this rich implies he's exploited the city, which creates these problems...
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
@quixoticgeek That's a deep insight, actually
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@Dalillama yes. His unwillingness to simplify pay to fix the problems. The fact he's this rich implies he's exploited the city, which creates these problems...
@quixoticgeek Various writers have put in all kinds of programs he uses Wayne money to run, so it's established that he's trying to buy solutions. Of course, the real answer is that DC America is capitalist, and one specific capitalist can't actually buy all the fixes, but the DC writers aren't commies, so they invented an ancient curse instead.
Also, part of the disconnect is that when he started, Bruce Wayne had trust-fund kid money, not industrial tycoon money, which is why back in the day he fought crime in a costume: money for fancy cars isn't the same level as money to renovate a whole city. Modern iterations don't make nearly as much sense
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@pozorvlak @quixoticgeek Batman as proof of ACAB. Gotham PD doesn’t fight crime, it’s up to one random dude to actually stop muggings.
@decius @pozorvlak @quixoticgeek It's well established that in Gotham, most of the police are corrupt, except for Gordan, which is how the criminal orgs get away with their operations. And also Batman violates all sorts of civil liberties to get results, where GCPD have to deal with hurdles like probable cause and the 4th amendment.
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
@quixoticgeek But in the comics, he does do all that AS WELL.
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@pozorvlak @quixoticgeek Batman as proof of ACAB. Gotham PD doesn’t fight crime, it’s up to one random dude to actually stop muggings.
@decius @pozorvlak @quixoticgeek Kinda came to say this. BTAS had a whole episode centered on this where it was clear he was dumping money into social programs and it was just a situation where nothing was ever enough. The city was just so systemically fucked that one person alone simply could not fix it. And this was already a series that rewrote cops who were absolutely corrupt in the comics because of broadcast standards of the time. In some ways costumed villains are the least of the city's problems.
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
But that's what all billionaires do, one way or another. (Harm the poor and the mentally ill.)
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
I had a dream once that Batman wasn't real. What happened is that commissioner Gordon witnessed the murder of his family, and he ended up with a bunch of trauma that he did not deal with effectively. So he would go out to do cop stuff, sometimes he would witness a crime and dissociate super hard, and he would beat the criminal to a bloody pulp and believe that he was standing far away watching a guy dressed as a bat do that.
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I had a dream once that Batman wasn't real. What happened is that commissioner Gordon witnessed the murder of his family, and he ended up with a bunch of trauma that he did not deal with effectively. So he would go out to do cop stuff, sometimes he would witness a crime and dissociate super hard, and he would beat the criminal to a bloody pulp and believe that he was standing far away watching a guy dressed as a bat do that.
Oh, and also, in that dream, commissioner Gordon was friends with Bruce Wayne, as a young boy, had also been traumatized by witnessing a crime. Bruce Wayne responded by donating to the police and to, like, midnight basketball and youth community centers and stuff like that.
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@thejacenallen no. He exists because of an underfunded healthcare system... One that could perhaps... Be better funded...
@quixoticgeek no thats not true. Hes legit insane. Not just a consequence of healthcare. Theres the story line where Joker goes ‘sane’ and has a kid and a family just to end up absolutely bat shit crazy again. I think we disagree but thats ok. Have a good one.
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@quixoticgeek no thats not true. Hes legit insane. Not just a consequence of healthcare. Theres the story line where Joker goes ‘sane’ and has a kid and a family just to end up absolutely bat shit crazy again. I think we disagree but thats ok. Have a good one.
@thejacenallen Yes, and if someone is completely insane, why are they on the streets and not secure in a treatment facility?
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@thejacenallen Yes, and if someone is completely insane, why are they on the streets and not secure in a treatment facility?
@quixoticgeek hes not regualr joe insane hes watch the world burn, break out of prison, kidnap and blackmail your way around, insane. Not really comparable to our real world. Outside of the epstein billionaire class and hey theyre not locked up in our world. Soooo…..
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
@quixoticgeek Give him some credit, here. He doesn't just beat them up. He HUNTS for them to beat them up, including working with informants. So much worse...
Also, I always find it bizarre that the mentally ill part came out of Denny O'Neil's run. Before that, you could dismiss the problems as the only solution to the worst possible crime, but once Arkham appears and becomes a plot device, it's horrific.
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
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For reasons the topic of super heroes came up during therapy. I mentioned how batman had been ruined for me when I fully understood that Bruce Wayne as a billionaire could have solved all the problems of Gotham city, but instead chose to spend his nights beating up the poor and mentally ill.
"Now you've ruined batman for me too"
"Oops"
@quixoticgeek Also the questionable relationship with local orphanages ...
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