Information Warfare Alert: A lot of folks identifying as militant leftists are up on Mastodon today saying this new war somehow proves that they were right in not voting for Kamala Harris since 'they are all the same.'
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@nazokiyoubinbou The bloggers at Lawyers Guns & Money came up with "Murc's Law" a couple presidents ago: only Dems have agency, the GOP is just like the weather. If the GOP does something shitty, it must be that Dems failed to stop them or somehow made them do it. A lot of folks on here genuinely believe this. So the fact of Trump doing an illegal war that no one wants and Dems actually cannot stop requires some reframing.
@liferstate @mastodonmigration Actual. Literal. Insanity.
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Not from our standpoint. Kamala supported fascism and genocide abroad. Trump supports fascism and genocide abroad *and at home*. Support for fascism and genocide is disgusting in any form, but one of these is clearly worse. We can see how awful both choices are and still recognize that one is even more awful.
@hosford42 @benroyce @geniodiabolico @mastodonmigration makes sense, I just wish people would recognise that and accept that their true red line is "I don't care as long as the imperial boomerang doesn't return and hit me"
Same thing happened a few days ago, Anthropic released a statement against DoW, Mastodon libs rejoiced Anthropic takes a moral stand against **domestic** mass surveillance, lmao
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> militant leftistsThat's supposed to be someone who is very opinionated, or someone who approves of using the military?
@notyourfanboy @mastodonmigration rather than actually face facts about how fucked up their corporatist, war mongering candidates are (remember Bernie won the popular vote but the party chose the corporatist war lobby instead), they see Russian bots, block the sane voices and scream a lot…
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Information Warfare Alert: A lot of folks identifying as militant leftists are up on Mastodon today saying this new war somehow proves that they were right in not voting for Kamala Harris since 'they are all the same.'
This is absurd.
This tactic was used very effectively to sow division and suppress Democratic votes in 2024.
These people are either misguided, and doing grave disservice to those they profess to support, or they are deliberate disinformation operators.
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Heh, I'm not seeing a peep out of them because I blocked those people ages ago for this exact reason. They never learn anything. -
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Heh, I'm not seeing a peep out of them because I blocked those people ages ago for this exact reason. They never learn anything.Wise words coming from someone who epitomizes constructive, determined and effective action. You are the best of us, Mary Austin. Hats off to you.
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Wise words coming from someone who epitomizes constructive, determined and effective action. You are the best of us, Mary Austin. Hats off to you.
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Thank you for your kind words. Sorry I was just being snarky about them in that post. -
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Thank you for your kind words. Sorry I was just being snarky about them in that post.Didn't sound snarky at all.
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@nazokiyoubinbou The bloggers at Lawyers Guns & Money came up with "Murc's Law" a couple presidents ago: only Dems have agency, the GOP is just like the weather. If the GOP does something shitty, it must be that Dems failed to stop them or somehow made them do it. A lot of folks on here genuinely believe this. So the fact of Trump doing an illegal war that no one wants and Dems actually cannot stop requires some reframing.
@nazokiyoubinbou The international relations corollary to Murc's Law is "actually, only the CIA has agency." A lot of people who profess to hate the US cannot imagine a world without the US at its center. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Information Warfare Alert: A lot of folks identifying as militant leftists are up on Mastodon today saying this new war somehow proves that they were right in not voting for Kamala Harris since 'they are all the same.'
This is absurd.
This tactic was used very effectively to sow division and suppress Democratic votes in 2024.
These people are either misguided, and doing grave disservice to those they profess to support, or they are deliberate disinformation operators.
I don’t see these weirdos in my feed, as a result of proactive curation on many sides since Q4’23, but I believe it’s pervasive influence
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@benroyce @budududuroiu @mastodonmigration
I mean, if you don't know why you think on this issue the two people are different, how do you trust in your own beliefs?
From the outside looking in, it often seems like Americans just don't like the imperialism their country wreaks across the globe when the person with the wrong color on their party flag does it. Otherwise it's fine.
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Information Warfare Alert: A lot of folks identifying as militant leftists are up on Mastodon today saying this new war somehow proves that they were right in not voting for Kamala Harris since 'they are all the same.'
This is absurd.
This tactic was used very effectively to sow division and suppress Democratic votes in 2024.
These people are either misguided, and doing grave disservice to those they profess to support, or they are deliberate disinformation operators.
Yup. I've seen it already.
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@hosford42 @benroyce @geniodiabolico @mastodonmigration makes sense, I just wish people would recognise that and accept that their true red line is "I don't care as long as the imperial boomerang doesn't return and hit me"
Same thing happened a few days ago, Anthropic released a statement against DoW, Mastodon libs rejoiced Anthropic takes a moral stand against **domestic** mass surveillance, lmao
It's not a matter of "red lines" anymore, if every candidate you're ever presented with as an option is over the line already. We do care, those of us who are aware because we aren't eating from the propaganda trough.
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"Everything sucks and nothing matters and nothing changes"
Who can argue with such genius?
It doesn't really seem possible to have a conversation with you. Why do you bother posting?
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It's not a matter of "red lines" anymore, if every candidate you're ever presented with as an option is over the line already. We do care, those of us who are aware because we aren't eating from the propaganda trough.
@hosford42 @benroyce @geniodiabolico @mastodonmigration I appreciate this reading of the situation.
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@komali_2 @knowprose we will go to the polls. And change this. While you blame us. It's an awesome world full of lovely intelligent well intentioned people who don't understand their moronic venom doesn't help anything except their whiny useless ego masturbation. Don't you agree friend?
You've been spewing venom all over this thread, laughing at people for trying to show how the world feels about this American aversion to seeing their government for the unified whole that it is when it comes to foreign policy.
You went to the polls in 2016 and 2024 and elected Trump twice. Why should we believe Americans don't want what's happening in Iran? You didn't just let it happen, you VOTED for it.
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@komali_2 @Extra_Special_Carbon
And would you like to help us change that? Or do you just enjoy impotent whining
@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon
I have no care whatsoever for American internal politics. Solve your own problems.
But if your country invades other ones, don't in turn whine when you find yourself in a public space full of non Americans and act, even nonconsensually on your part, as a lightning rod representative of our anger at your country's imperialist ambitions.
To us, you voted for this, and even if you personally didn't, you still benefit from it, or why else didn't you stop it?
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Not from our standpoint. Kamala supported fascism and genocide abroad. Trump supports fascism and genocide abroad *and at home*. Support for fascism and genocide is disgusting in any form, but one of these is clearly worse. We can see how awful both choices are and still recognize that one is even more awful.
@hosford42 @mastodonmigration @budududuroiu @benroyce@mastodon.social @geniodiabolico exactly. One is defo worse. But the politics of ‘least bad’ when that is still American white supremacy, constant war, the police state, genocide - isn’t something anyone can be coerced into supporting. Yet here we are with ‘militant leftists’ and ‘Russian bots’ being used to silence the sane.
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Nobody doubts that, but you're responding to someone who tried to prevent Trump from being elected. So you seem lost
Saying "oh no... Anyway" doesn't constite "trying to prevent Trump from being in office." American liberals seem to think voting absolves them of the crimes of their politicians. It doesn't.
Look to the French if you'd like an example. Why have you burned nothing while your country levels entire cities? Complicity.
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Saying "oh no... Anyway" doesn't constite "trying to prevent Trump from being in office." American liberals seem to think voting absolves them of the crimes of their politicians. It doesn't.
Look to the French if you'd like an example. Why have you burned nothing while your country levels entire cities? Complicity.
a perfect example - you live in NYC. You'll never face violence from ICE and you just elected a prominent socialist. You're insulated from the harms your own country does to its own citizens, let alone other countries, so, predictably, you aren't fighting very hard to stop what your country is doing. I don't necessarily blame you for this, a comfortable life is understandable, but don't claim you're doing something when you're not really.
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@hosford42 @mastodonmigration @budududuroiu @benroyce@mastodon.social @geniodiabolico exactly. One is defo worse. But the politics of ‘least bad’ when that is still American white supremacy, constant war, the police state, genocide - isn’t something anyone can be coerced into supporting. Yet here we are with ‘militant leftists’ and ‘Russian bots’ being used to silence the sane.
I look at voting for the lesser evil like climbing a mountain. One step at a time, we have to shift our position back towards a space where the choices are reasonable. If we simply abstain from voting, we are throwing up our hands and not pushing back. If we actively show our preferences, we signal to those considering entering the fray who are even further in the right direction that it's worthwhile to do so, and to those who are even further in the wrong direction that it is not. It's unfortunately not a fast process, but if you hike long enough and steadfastly enough, you can get to the top. It's not a matter of who or what you condone. It's a matter of which options you even have available to you in the first place.
In the meantime, we can complain loudly about just how bad the "good" choice is, and that helps the needle move, too.
