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Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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    #91

    @tante
    My prayer:
    Pleez allow this software product [fill in the blank] to be done. It meets all my needs and I am now sufficiently familiar with its workings that I can do the things I need to do with it, and not at all interested in doing the things that I'm not interested in doing, and I can tell the difference.

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    • dashdsrdash@tilde.zoneD dashdsrdash@tilde.zone

      @isaackuo

      ... and as we are in space where language means things, using imprecise language like describing software as intuitive or instinctual is bad; we're not marketers here.

      Uses CUA: good.

      Obeys Apple Human Interface Guidelines (pick a version that wasn't completely broken: good.

      "Extensively tested and revised by actual UX experts with many different users of varying experience": extremely good. And rare.

      @MisuseCase @ArneBab @tante

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      #92

      @dashdsrdash @MisuseCase @ArneBab @tante I guess I just disagree about whether or not the word "intuition" or "intuitive" is imprecise language.

      I think they are well defined. The fact that intuition is shaped by learned things is just ... part of our reality.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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        #93

        @tante
        YES, I'd like to have some `cp`, `ls` and `cat`, but re-written in vibe-coded Rust, please.

        They played us for absolute fools.

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        • oraculix@ieji.deO oraculix@ieji.de

          @tante
          YES, I'd like to have some `cp`, `ls` and `cat`, but re-written in vibe-coded Rust, please.

          They played us for absolute fools.

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          #94

          @oraculix I mean many of the rust rewrites are also about stripping restrictive licenses. Taking GPLed code and rewriting/generating it as BSD licensed

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            @oraculix I mean many of the rust rewrites are also about stripping restrictive licenses. Taking GPLed code and rewriting/generating it as BSD licensed

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            #95

            @tante Fair point. I still don't have BSD licensing much on my radar, so all these recent rewrites seemed a little odd to me.

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            • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

              🗣THANK YOU!

              Drupal should have stopped at 7… maybe 9 and then forked to whatever it is now. they're two completely different products and i’ve resented it ever since. Backdrop (the fork from D7-8) is great, but it doesn't get the money and support Drupal gets.

              @tante

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              #96

              @blogdiva

              Exactly my thoughts on Drupal. Thank you.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                #97

                @tante I mean makes sense. Some things just do one thing and do it well.

                With the way tech is massively changing I would say you have to battle adding features and doing Maintenance anyway since if the project doesn't run well the features have no point. Calling it done and focusing solely on maintenance makes the decision easier.

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                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                  Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                  #98

                  @tante it was actually pretty cool when software was primarily distributed on, well, hardware

                  plus it was fun to flip through my book of CDs. like oh I haven't used starry night pro in a while, let's spend a couple hours exploring the galaxy

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                    #99
                    @tante i think this should become normalized.
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                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                      @oraculix I mean many of the rust rewrites are also about stripping restrictive licenses. Taking GPLed code and rewriting/generating it as BSD licensed

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                      #100

                      @tante @oraculix That's quite nasty and one more reason to stay away from those rewrites.

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                        #101

                        @tante Totally, though I think you need to take care about what you model with your software. If you model the world, it will change and you'll have to keep us.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                          #102

                          @tante

                          true. it still functions as expected. No patches needed.

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                            #103

                            @tante@tldr.nettime.org Linux games seem to understand this very well. A few months ago I installed Extreme Tux Racer, a game I fondly remember playing in my childhood like 15 years ago. It is exactly the same still, either hasn't been updated or only just enough to keep it working. Either way it is lovely :3

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                            • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #104

                              @strypey ooooh. thanks for the heads up.

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                                #105

                                @strypey @hbons @tante Setting boundaries can help avoid bloat.

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                                • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                  Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                                  #106

                                  @tante True of non-OSS applications, too. I think one reason MS is shoving AI into MS Office is their product is mature software and *there are no new features to add to it*.

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                                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                    Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                                    #107

                                    @tante Yes, and when it comes to this, and there's something you got an idea for, but don't have the spoons to implement, you can just write a blog article about it and hope and pray someone else feels like implementing it, in exchange for a large sum of money. Or you can just hope you're not one of those people who hates unresolved issues.

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                                      #108

                                      @tante yes! This!

                                      I had people question a project because it had no release for six months (despite even commit activity)…

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                                      • hllizi@hespere.deH hllizi@hespere.de

                                        @leonid
                                        OK, fair point
                                        @tante

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                                        #109

                                        @tante @hllizi @leonid nah, the distro patches the dependencies, done.

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                                        • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                                          @tante @hllizi @leonid nah, the distro patches the dependencies, done.

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                                          #110

                                          @mirabilos
                                          That works for dynamic dependencies but not for static ones, and only until the distro stops maintenance for the last compatible version, right?
                                          @tante @leonid

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