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  • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

    Here we go again.

    If you fire a bullet at a practice dummy and the bullet hits a person instead, the bullet was not “acting on its own.”

    When Anthropic's software—designed, programmed, prompted, and activated by humans working for Anthropic—does stuff the humans failed to predict, stop saying the software has "gone rogue.” The software does not have agency. Only the humans do.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/09/technology/anthropic-rogue-ai-agents.html?unlocked_article_code=1.HlE.GIEa.uR_4KOEmJEfi&smid=url-share

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    @gleick 'Please regulate us including strong safeguards such as the government and therefore the taxpayer picking up the tab before the AI bubble pops.'

    Also archived version of NYT article as the gift link looks to have expired:
    https://archive.is/aIX4l

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    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

      @gleick

      These AI narratives aren't directed at consumers, they are directed at the petrostate despots & oil oligarchs that are funding AI.

      They are advertising a "invest in us and we will guarantee a mass mortality event or lucrative war for you."

      For the dynasties behind Project 2025, the end of democracy using AI has irresistable allure.

      Things like a mass power outage on voting day, for example.

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      #26

      @Npars01 @gleick LLM's are great for hacking. They're the mother of all fuzzers.

      Fuzzers are pretty damn powerful tools for humans with an agency to hack stuff.

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      • strangetown@toot.walesS strangetown@toot.wales

        @gleick 'Please regulate us including strong safeguards such as the government and therefore the taxpayer picking up the tab before the AI bubble pops.'

        Also archived version of NYT article as the gift link looks to have expired:
        https://archive.is/aIX4l

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        #27

        @strangetown @gleick No. What they're actually hoping for is to get away from the loop of having to put out a new model every few months, because they're broke.

        They hope the government will make them stop having to compete, and make their competition from China illegal, because right now they're setting money on fire, making 5 dollars by spending 100.

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        • jonesmurphy@mastodon.socialJ jonesmurphy@mastodon.social

          @gleick AIs are doing really bad and dangerous things right now that we're NOT being told. I'm 100% confident of this.

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          @jonesmurphy The whole point is that AIs aren’t doing any of this. Agency and reliability are both held by the person who initiated the AI action, whether the action was intended (shoot the training dummy) or not (shoot a bystander).

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          • standev@mstdn.socialS standev@mstdn.social

            @jonesmurphy The whole point is that AIs aren’t doing any of this. Agency and reliability are both held by the person who initiated the AI action, whether the action was intended (shoot the training dummy) or not (shoot a bystander).

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            #29

            @standev Yeah. And guns don't kill people. AIs can be weapons deadlier than guns. I do agree that all responsible humans should be jailed for AI crime.

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            • jonesmurphy@mastodon.socialJ jonesmurphy@mastodon.social

              @standev Yeah. And guns don't kill people. AIs can be weapons deadlier than guns. I do agree that all responsible humans should be jailed for AI crime.

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              @jonesmurphy I agree that it makes sense to regulate tools that can be used for harm. That is distinct from allocating responsibility for the harm to the tool and absolving the human, which is the problem with this kind of journalism.

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              • standev@mstdn.socialS standev@mstdn.social

                @jonesmurphy I agree that it makes sense to regulate tools that can be used for harm. That is distinct from allocating responsibility for the harm to the tool and absolving the human, which is the problem with this kind of journalism.

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                #31

                @standev There will very possibly come a point where the responsible humans will be gone, and AI will persist in vastly superior form to what we have now. AI is fundamentally different from previous tools. It's increasingly self-improving at an accelerating rate.

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                • jonesmurphy@mastodon.socialJ jonesmurphy@mastodon.social

                  @standev There will very possibly come a point where the responsible humans will be gone, and AI will persist in vastly superior form to what we have now. AI is fundamentally different from previous tools. It's increasingly self-improving at an accelerating rate.

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                  #32

                  @jonesmurphy that sounds like marketing, and runs counter to what internal AI company policies have leaked (never use AI to train AI, etc).

                  Do you have a source on AI actually self-improving?

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                  • standev@mstdn.socialS standev@mstdn.social

                    @jonesmurphy that sounds like marketing, and runs counter to what internal AI company policies have leaked (never use AI to train AI, etc).

                    Do you have a source on AI actually self-improving?

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                    #33

                    @standev You offered no source on your claim that AI companies leaked policies to never use AI to train AI. Your claim is utterly nonsensical to me as an AI practitioner/pioneer myself who competed in the World Computer Chess Championship in 1989 while I was a grad student in physics at Caltech. What is your scientific resume and understanding of AI? Your question blows my mind given the definition of a neural network and machine learning. Humans cannot train many AIs.

                    https://tcec-chess.com/

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                    • jonesmurphy@mastodon.socialJ jonesmurphy@mastodon.social

                      @standev You offered no source on your claim that AI companies leaked policies to never use AI to train AI. Your claim is utterly nonsensical to me as an AI practitioner/pioneer myself who competed in the World Computer Chess Championship in 1989 while I was a grad student in physics at Caltech. What is your scientific resume and understanding of AI? Your question blows my mind given the definition of a neural network and machine learning. Humans cannot train many AIs.

                      https://tcec-chess.com/

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                      #34

                      @standev I remember being told back in 1989 things that sounded a LOT like "that sounds like marketing" when I predicted that AIs would vastly outstrip humans in chess.

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