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  3. When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

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  • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

    When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

    statsguy@mas.toS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #53

    @jascha I am a scientist and I want you to know that you have totally nailed it

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    • kagan@wandering.shopK kagan@wandering.shop

      @jascha Also, "they paid off the scientists to say [something untrue]" (or to hide the truth) is another sign that the speaker doesn't know a damn thing about scientists (and probably has an axe to grind and/or some snake oil to sell you).

      If they were that motivated by money, they wouldn't have gone into science in the first place. They'd have gotten an MBA or something.

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      #54

      @kagan @jascha Meh, not always true.

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      • kimlockhartga@beige.partyK kimlockhartga@beige.party

        @jascha

        . . . this one neat trick. ugh.

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        #55

        @kimlockhartga @jascha

        …discovered by a single mom

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        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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          #56

          @jascha Having worked with Data Scientists, it’s rare to find them exercised about something unless they’re very sure or concerned about it. If there was the slightest chance the data was exaggerated or incorrect they would be very quiet.

          After all, their career depends on their reputation for providing accurate predictions.

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          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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            #57

            @jascha "*anyone* don't want you to know" is one of the title templates that I simply skip altogether. Other honorable mentions are "# must things to do to/before/with #" and "*any statement*, and why it is a good thing".

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            • sverik@kogumus.masto.hostS sverik@kogumus.masto.host

              @jascha Scientists don't want you to know about Roko's Basilisk.

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              #58

              @sverik @jascha that's just religion for techbros. they reinvented it from first principles and everything.

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              • luboganev@androiddev.socialL luboganev@androiddev.social

                @jascha "*anyone* don't want you to know" is one of the title templates that I simply skip altogether. Other honorable mentions are "# must things to do to/before/with #" and "*any statement*, and why it is a good thing".

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                #59

                @luboganev @jascha clickbait templates, for sure. Someone should make a clickbait hiding browser addon.

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                • teledyn@mstdn.caT teledyn@mstdn.ca

                  @jascha

                  Just think of all those brilliant scientists driven to evil madness BECAUSE no one would listen to them!

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                  #60

                  @teledyn @jascha … toiling in my … *ahem* I mean THEIR secret laboratory … someday THE WORLD will KNOW!
                  Oh yes hehe
                  They will understand … mwa ha HA HA HA

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                  • travisfw@fosstodon.orgT travisfw@fosstodon.org

                    @luboganev @jascha clickbait templates, for sure. Someone should make a clickbait hiding browser addon.

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                    #61

                    @travisfw @jascha sounds like an appropriate weekend project. Too bad I'm a noob in web frontend.

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                    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                      #62

                      @jascha ah yes aka "nerd vomit"

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                      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                        #63

                        @jascha that makes total sense in the real world. but you cannot overlook the fact that these motherfuckas are LARPing.

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                        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                          #64

                          @jascha TBH, I've never heard the phrase "Scientists do not want you to know" spoken or written before today.
                          Joys of picking and choosing my life in a sane community/city/state/family.

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                          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                            #65

                            @jascha "Scientists SHOCKED by..." thing scientists researched, painstakingly gathered evidence for, wrote and, crucially, *published* a paper on.

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                            • sverik@kogumus.masto.hostS sverik@kogumus.masto.host

                              @jascha Scientists don't want you to know about Roko's Basilisk.

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                              #66

                              @sverik @jascha because that site and its bullshit isn't science

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                              • G gutterpoetry@mastodon.me.uk

                                @knowprose @jascha

                                Not exactly, for example, medical research is riddled with misogyny. The bias towards white males in scientific studies does lead to conclusions which are incorrectly applied to the whole of humanity.

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                                #67

                                @GutterPoetry these studies aren't very sciencely imo
                                @knowprose @jascha

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                                • csolisr@hub.azkware.netC csolisr@hub.azkware.net
                                  Scientists generally want you to know, the people that finance their work on the other hand? It depends on how marketable is the discovery
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                                  #68

                                  @csolisr this obsession with demonising funders is the same strand of anti-science, honestly.
                                  Most funders are also people, part of an org set up to... Fund science.

                                  Globally, much research is funded by governments (so via taxes, interested in R&D and the benefits to local areas that brings, primarily), charities (and ultimately citizens for the most part) and industry. And some big donors, but again mostly because they have pet causes.
                                  Sure there can be some conflicts of interest with industry and government and wealthy individuals. But overwhelmingly it's just... Funding.

                                  It's disclosed in publications. The scrutiny should be on scammers - in the US, medical insurance systems for example, and the 'wellness industry', multibillion dollars wasted on trash studied and marketing worldwide. And 'alt med'.

                                  This idea that scientists' funders are all out there making nefarious decisions and invalidating research findings is just as rubbish as making scientists out to be evil secret-hoarders.

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                                  • dougiec3@libretooth.grD dougiec3@libretooth.gr

                                    @jascha
                                    There's a conspiracy theory that's been around for as long as I know; that a cure for cancer has been found, but is being kept secret because the pharmaceutical corporations have paid off the discoverer(s).
                                    As if someone could resist the acclaim, the historical significance and the Nobel Prize.

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                                    #69

                                    @dougiec3 @jascha Might be related to how there are a lot of “cures” for cancer that never became a product.

                                    Because killing cancer is pretty easy. The problem is not killing the patient. What’s impossible is for the media to not wildly incorrectly report on things:/

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                                    • luboganev@androiddev.socialL luboganev@androiddev.social

                                      @jascha "*anyone* don't want you to know" is one of the title templates that I simply skip altogether. Other honorable mentions are "# must things to do to/before/with #" and "*any statement*, and why it is a good thing".

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                                      #70

                                      @luboganev @jascha “One simple trick” for avoiding clickbait.

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                                      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                        #71

                                        @jascha Scientists would duct tape you to a chair and infodump it if they could.

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                                        • lexyeen@plush.cityL lexyeen@plush.city

                                          @sverik @jascha that's just religion for techbros. they reinvented it from first principles and everything.

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                                          #72

                                          @LexYeen @sverik @jascha Can confirm.

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