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  • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

    @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

    Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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    #34

    @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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    • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

      @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

      Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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      #35

      @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

      I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

      Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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      • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

        @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

        I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

        Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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        #36

        @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

        It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

        I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

          @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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          #37

          @loriemerson @lxskllr @aakoskin

          Speaking as a reader of your post, I'd rather have the text than a picture of the text. In this case I think all/most of the content was in the alt text, which is good but may be hidden for some (depends on the UI).

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          • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

            @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

            It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

            I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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            #38

            @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

            Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

            Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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            • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

              finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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              #39

              @loriemerson the Wendellian laws should be international law

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              • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                #40

                @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                  finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                  #41

                  @loriemerson Reading this makes me regret leaving behind my vintage copy of "The Unsettling of America" when I had to move. Berry is wonderful.

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                  • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                    @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                    #42

                    @aakoskin 👎

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                    • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                      @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                      "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                      That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                      #43

                      @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                      I've always liked this #quote from William J. Mayo (one of the founders of the Mayo clinic)...

                      "Begin with an arresting sentence; close with a strong summary; in between speak simply, clearly, and always to the point; and above all be brief."

                      #Quotes #Writing

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                      • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                        @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                        #44

                        @aakoskin @loriemerson Have you always been a Karen or did you choose it as a career?

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                        • msbellows@c.imM msbellows@c.im

                          @aakoskin @loriemerson Have you always been a Karen or did you choose it as a career?

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                          #45

                          @aakoskin @loriemerson
                          P.S.:

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                          • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                            @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                            #46

                            @aakoskin

                            how about never tell a media studies scholar how to represent a text

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                            • pavelasamsonov@mastodon.socialP pavelasamsonov@mastodon.social

                              @loriemerson I love the idea of the body's energy being solar energy

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                              #47

                              @PavelASamsonov @loriemerson Right? I adore that too. Wendell Berry is a small farmer who raises some meat animals, which he pastures in the places that would erode if they were plowed. I saw him speak in Portland 30 years ago and he explained that meat farmer this way, unlike factory farms, is not inherently bad because it is another efficient way of extracting solar energy.

                              I love Wendell Berry.

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                              • zenheathen@beige.partyZ zenheathen@beige.party

                                @loriemerson Based on this brilliant wisdom, I should look this person up.

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                                #48

                                @ZenHeathen @loriemerson You absolutely should. Here are a couple starting points:

                                Why I Will Not Buy a Computer (essay): berry-computer.pdf https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf

                                The Blue Robe (poem): https://www.writersalmanac.org/index.html%3Fp=6383.html

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                                • inquiline@assemblag.esI inquiline@assemblag.es

                                  @aakoskin

                                  how about never tell a media studies scholar how to represent a text

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                                  #49

                                  @inquiline

                                  Sitting with the semiotics of fixed typography, as signifier of the book as artifact, that would be elided by a mere copypasta of raw text.

                                  To wit, the OP specifically is presenting this passage as historically situated in a specific media form.

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                                  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                    #50

                                    @loriemerson i think that every currently available smart phone breaks all of these.

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                                    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                      finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                      #51

                                      @loriemerson It reminds me of one of my paternal grandparents' favourite William Morris quote.

                                      “Have nothing in your house that you do not know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful.”

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                                      • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                        @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                        #52

                                        @aakoskin @loriemerson says the person who doesn't alt text their image posts. 🤡

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                                        • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                          @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                          #53

                                          @aakoskin @loriemerson On the other hand, if they had not posted at all then I would never have come across this information. At least the image has alt-text.

                                          Perhaps also the extra information that the picture offers, that is, it comes from a printed document makes me interested to try to track down a copy of this document.

                                          Thus, giving me the option of having the information in a (relatively) immutable form on my bookshelf instead if in an ephemeral and thus editable form on the internet.

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