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  • plwt@mstdn.socialP plwt@mstdn.social

    @Edent Published in 1998, Tom Clancy's Net Force?

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    @plwt @Edent I think both Hackers and The Net predated Net Force.

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    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

      Nerdsnipe time.

      What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

      I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

      Any ideas?

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      #9

      @Edent Feels like something I'd get the QI buzzer for, but 'The Net', July '95? Ordering a pizza from (a basic looking) pizza.net ? Jonny Mnemonic was months earlier, but was more cyberpunk, I can't remember it having actual internet as we know it.

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      • distrowatch@mastodon.socialD distrowatch@mastodon.social

        @plwt @Edent I think both Hackers and The Net predated Net Force.

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        #10

        @distrowatch @Edent I think that Sneakers pre dated both, but I cannot remember it featuring the web.

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        • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

          Nerdsnipe time.

          What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

          I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

          Any ideas?

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          #11

          @Edent pretty sure Jurassic park, the novel, mentioned something along those lines. 1990?

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          • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

            Nerdsnipe time.

            What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

            I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

            Any ideas?

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            #12

            @Edent maybe not exactly if i remember correctly but the animation reboot gets close

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            • lucpestille@mastodon.socialL lucpestille@mastodon.social

              @Edent Feels like something I'd get the QI buzzer for, but 'The Net', July '95? Ordering a pizza from (a basic looking) pizza.net ? Jonny Mnemonic was months earlier, but was more cyberpunk, I can't remember it having actual internet as we know it.

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              #13

              @LucPestille @Edent
              I remember watching her order a pizza online and thinking how unlikely to ever happen in the UK it was. Little did I know!

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              • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                Nerdsnipe time.

                What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

                I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

                Any ideas?

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                #14

                I was going to nominate Clifford Stoll's The Cuckoo's Egg, but it isn't fiction and predates the web by a couple of years. It did inspire the Hackers movie, though.
                @Edent

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                • khleedril@cyberplace.socialK khleedril@cyberplace.social

                  @Edent I hate myself for saying this as I abhor everything about LLMs, but this is exactly the sort of question they (or at least the infrastructure which supports them) would be good for. Except LLMs are not nerds...

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                  @khleedril @Edent I used to use them to try to identify books people couldn't remember the names of, and they'd almost always give me results like: "[real book title] [fake description of its contents]"

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                  • jantzen@mas.toJ jantzen@mas.to

                    @Edent pretty sure Jurassic park, the novel, mentioned something along those lines. 1990?

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                    #16

                    @jantzen @Edent

                    The www didn't exist yet in 1990 🙂

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                    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                      Nerdsnipe time.

                      What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

                      I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

                      Any ideas?

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                      #17
                      @Edent More essay than plot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_We_May_Think
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                      • logvoid@fe.disroot.orgL logvoid@fe.disroot.org
                        @Edent More essay than plot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_We_May_Think
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                        #18

                        @logvoid all the information is on the task.

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                        • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                          @logvoid all the information is on the task.

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                          @Edent I have only skimmed secondary info about memex and "As We May Think", but I should go back and sit down to read it. Seems like the kind of material that inspires reflection and writing upon serious contact.
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                          • logvoid@fe.disroot.orgL logvoid@fe.disroot.org
                            @Edent I have only skimmed secondary info about memex and "As We May Think", but I should go back and sit down to read it. Seems like the kind of material that inspires reflection and writing upon serious contact.
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                            @logvoid please read my original post.

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                            • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                              @logvoid please read my original post.

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                              @Edent Oh; I knew my reply was partially offtarget since it is not a narrative story, but does the memex fit the description: 'I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system.'? If so, I missed that connection and should have not replied with the link I did.
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                                @relache
                                I think the 1984 Stephenson story was maybe not the first. I read an earlier booklast month that had computer viruses.

                                "*When HARLIE Was One* is also the novel that introduced the concept of the computer virus to popular thought. For that I am profoundly sorry."

                                From David Gerrold's intro to his 2014 rewrite of the HARLIE book. The 1972 version was definitely using virus to refer to computer code ruining and stealing data. I suspect there might be earlier references.

                                @Edent

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                                • xinit@mastodon.coffeeX xinit@mastodon.coffee

                                  @relache
                                  I think the 1984 Stephenson story was maybe not the first. I read an earlier booklast month that had computer viruses.

                                  "*When HARLIE Was One* is also the novel that introduced the concept of the computer virus to popular thought. For that I am profoundly sorry."

                                  From David Gerrold's intro to his 2014 rewrite of the HARLIE book. The 1972 version was definitely using virus to refer to computer code ruining and stealing data. I suspect there might be earlier references.

                                  @Edent

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                                  @relache
                                  I do wonder if Stephenson's *Snow Crash* might have managed to pull this off. It would be REALLY early for the web, though. Like, a bit pre-public-Mosaic, but maybe... I don't have a copy handy to look at.

                                  I fear that Microserfs might mention websites, too, but that's 1995 I think.

                                  @Edent

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                                  • xinit@mastodon.coffeeX xinit@mastodon.coffee

                                    @relache
                                    I do wonder if Stephenson's *Snow Crash* might have managed to pull this off. It would be REALLY early for the web, though. Like, a bit pre-public-Mosaic, but maybe... I don't have a copy handy to look at.

                                    I fear that Microserfs might mention websites, too, but that's 1995 I think.

                                    @Edent

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                                    #24

                                    @xinit @relache
                                    Not that I can see. There's no mention of "the web", nor of WWW.

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                                      @simoncox.com www was officially announced in 91. Though Snow Crash was probably inspired more by earlier Internet. Metaverse was definitely not www.

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                                      • skysailor@social.scribblers.clubS skysailor@social.scribblers.club

                                        @khleedril @Edent I used to use them to try to identify books people couldn't remember the names of, and they'd almost always give me results like: "[real book title] [fake description of its contents]"

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                                        @skysailor @khleedril @Edent And they're often confidently wrong. Try using them on areas where you have deep knowledge but phrasing questions like someone who doesn't. 😬 They are satisficing machines (intended to give a satisfyingly plausible answer) not reference librarians who will give as accurate an answer as resources currently provide (and who will be honest about uncertainty).

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                                        • kpl@social.lolK kpl@social.lol

                                          @Edent the first one I remember reading was the one about sysadmins after the end of the world by Corey Doctorow, but that can’t be the first.

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                                          @kpl @Edent I LOVE THAT STORY! I still think about it all the time.

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