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  3. This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do.

This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do.

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  • malte@radikal.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do. In social psychology, it's called the Barnum effect. Using vague enough language while giving a highly particular description (of someone's personality), gives people the experience that it is highly accurate. LLM bots have found a way to generalize something like a Barnum effect to the field of everything we prompt it for.

    #BarnumEffect #LLM

    malte@radikal.socialM ocrampal@mastodon.socialO tak@glitch.taks.gardenT johnzajac@dice.campJ 6 Replies Last reply
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    • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

      This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do. In social psychology, it's called the Barnum effect. Using vague enough language while giving a highly particular description (of someone's personality), gives people the experience that it is highly accurate. LLM bots have found a way to generalize something like a Barnum effect to the field of everything we prompt it for.

      #BarnumEffect #LLM

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      #2

      Caught the thought from @jhavok

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      • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

        This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do. In social psychology, it's called the Barnum effect. Using vague enough language while giving a highly particular description (of someone's personality), gives people the experience that it is highly accurate. LLM bots have found a way to generalize something like a Barnum effect to the field of everything we prompt it for.

        #BarnumEffect #LLM

        ocrampal@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @malte along the same lines:

        https://www.ocrampal.com/why-criticizing-ai-feels-like-criticizing-someones-child/

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        • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

          This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do. In social psychology, it's called the Barnum effect. Using vague enough language while giving a highly particular description (of someone's personality), gives people the experience that it is highly accurate. LLM bots have found a way to generalize something like a Barnum effect to the field of everything we prompt it for.

          #BarnumEffect #LLM

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          For reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

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          • ocrampal@mastodon.socialO ocrampal@mastodon.social

            @malte along the same lines:

            https://www.ocrampal.com/why-criticizing-ai-feels-like-criticizing-someones-child/

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            #5

            @ocrampal I read your blog post and can see that it is also about conversations with LLM bots. Is there something specific you're thinking about as along the same lines?

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            • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

              @ocrampal I read your blog post and can see that it is also about conversations with LLM bots. Is there something specific you're thinking about as along the same lines?

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              #6

              @malte yes, people tend to associate meaning to LLMs. You mentioned Horoscopes as an example.

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              • ocrampal@mastodon.socialO ocrampal@mastodon.social

                @malte yes, people tend to associate meaning to LLMs. You mentioned Horoscopes as an example.

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                #7

                @ocrampal OK got you, we tend to find meaning in things, even when it's not really there.

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                • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                  This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do. In social psychology, it's called the Barnum effect. Using vague enough language while giving a highly particular description (of someone's personality), gives people the experience that it is highly accurate. LLM bots have found a way to generalize something like a Barnum effect to the field of everything we prompt it for.

                  #BarnumEffect #LLM

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                  #8

                  @malte
                  @baldur has written about something similar: https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/llmentalist/

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                  • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                    This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do. In social psychology, it's called the Barnum effect. Using vague enough language while giving a highly particular description (of someone's personality), gives people the experience that it is highly accurate. LLM bots have found a way to generalize something like a Barnum effect to the field of everything we prompt it for.

                    #BarnumEffect #LLM

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                    @malte

                    I don't find LLMs nearly as reliable as my horoscope.

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                    • tak@glitch.taks.gardenT tak@glitch.taks.garden

                      @malte
                      @baldur has written about something similar: https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/llmentalist/

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                      #10

                      @Tak This is a very interesting line of thought and a necessary part of breaking the spell. We know from these kind of things that there will always be people more vulnerable to the cons, but right now it is a matter of mass delusions. @baldur

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                        @malte

                        I don't find LLMs nearly as reliable as my horoscope.

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                        #11

                        @johnzajac Watch out though. Might just be a matter of time before that is LLM generated. In fact, that's probably one of the few use cases I can think of that makes sense besides marketing and other "impression management" tasks.

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                        • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                          This was a new thought: That LLM bots come across as convincing in a similar way that horoscopes do. In social psychology, it's called the Barnum effect. Using vague enough language while giving a highly particular description (of someone's personality), gives people the experience that it is highly accurate. LLM bots have found a way to generalize something like a Barnum effect to the field of everything we prompt it for.

                          #BarnumEffect #LLM

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                          #12

                          Could this be an opportunity to have an "anti-fascist tech skeptic" moment? We've had years of scientific skepticism poke fun of superstition on television - with people like Michael Shermer, James Randi etc. exposing the follies of spoon bending "geniuses" on live television. Today, many of these "skeptics" like Shermer are themselves caught up in paranoid fantasies about an oppressive LGBTQ left and don't seem to see the the superstition involved in our LLM delusions. The floor is open!

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