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  3. World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

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  • nerde@beige.partyN nerde@beige.party

    @stux
    On the other hand, if a party is an actual death cult….

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    #3

    @Nerde Then it's a cult, not a party anymore

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    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

      @Nerde Then it's a cult, not a party anymore

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      #4

      @stux
      A criminal enterprise shouldn’t be a political party either

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      • nerde@beige.partyN nerde@beige.party

        @stux
        A criminal enterprise shouldn’t be a political party either

        raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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        #5

        @Nerde @stux
        Nor a company.

        Fascism is evil. Unregulated Capitalism is a form of fascism even if not actually neo-nazi. The evil is treating people that are not "filthy rich" as mere things to be used up.

        Ban corporate donations & cap personal ones to politicians & parties (and only from citizens). No shares or proxies if in office.

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        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

          World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

          Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

          Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

          If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

          Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

          #iRefuse

          netraven@hear-me.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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          #6

          @stux I think the problem is that people remain epistemically committed to the idea that all communication is dialogue, and therefore part of some possible exchange.

          But fascism, sexism, hatred, and similar forms of expression are not simply bad arguments within communication. As modes of communication, they do not really exist. They are failures of communication: a collapse of conceptual boundaries that determines, before any exchange can occur, which thoughts can be reached and felt as truth, while everything else is reduced to noise.

          This is not something that can be debated, nor does it deserve a forum for debate, because the conditions for good-faith communication have already been destroyed.

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          • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

            World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

            Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

            Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

            If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

            Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

            #iRefuse

            truenorthspice@mastodon.worldT This user is from outside of this forum
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            truenorthspice@mastodon.world
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            #7

            @stux
            Add Conservatives in Canada to your list

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            • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

              World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

              Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

              Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

              If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

              Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

              #iRefuse

              xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
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              xs4me2@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #8

              @stux

              Simply despicable, they should be removed and prosecuted…

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              • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

                Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

                Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

                If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

                Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

                #iRefuse

                bhasic@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                bhasic@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                bhasic@mastodon.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #9

                @stux Finland's right wing National Coalition Party took Finns Party nazis in the government.

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                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                  World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

                  Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

                  Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

                  If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

                  Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

                  #iRefuse

                  rrb@infosec.exchangeR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #10

                  @stux I do not think we can pretend they do not exist. Do not lose an argument with them.

                  It should be easy. They make no sense.

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                  • netraven@hear-me.socialN netraven@hear-me.social

                    @stux I think the problem is that people remain epistemically committed to the idea that all communication is dialogue, and therefore part of some possible exchange.

                    But fascism, sexism, hatred, and similar forms of expression are not simply bad arguments within communication. As modes of communication, they do not really exist. They are failures of communication: a collapse of conceptual boundaries that determines, before any exchange can occur, which thoughts can be reached and felt as truth, while everything else is reduced to noise.

                    This is not something that can be debated, nor does it deserve a forum for debate, because the conditions for good-faith communication have already been destroyed.

                    benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #11

                    @Netraven @stux

                    no intolerance

                    unless we're dealing with the intolerant

                    no insensitivity

                    unless we're dealing with the insensitive

                    no violence

                    unless we're dealing with the violent

                    many people need to learn this

                    especially "polite society" types who clutch their pearls if someone says "fuck." but they will let a vile bigoted lie pass if said serenely

                    society is either protected, or it isn't

                    it falls upon all of us to do the protecting, not for us to defer to some other entity to do so

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                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                      World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

                      Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

                      Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

                      If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

                      Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

                      #iRefuse

                      enema_cowboy@dotnet.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      enema_cowboy@dotnet.social
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                      #12

                      @stux We should be treating paramilitary Nazi groups* in May 2026 the same way we treated them after VE Day in May 1945. Same with the CSA Lost Causers rallying under Confederal Battle flags.

                      *literal self-described Nazis with all the trappings of the Hitler regime.

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                      • kierkegaanks@beige.partyK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #13

                        @PetterOfCats @stux clean the transport buffer of nazis

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                        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                          World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

                          Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

                          Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

                          If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

                          Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

                          #iRefuse

                          toresimonsen@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #14

                          This is not a joke. I need help. I protect witnesses because of the killers involved. #christian nationalist #terrorist #extremists plan to attack #orlando. Stop them. Call Officer Wayne White at the Orlando Police Department. They plan to pin the attack on me.
                          https://youtu.be/bvS_FXjeM_M

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                          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                            @Netraven @stux

                            no intolerance

                            unless we're dealing with the intolerant

                            no insensitivity

                            unless we're dealing with the insensitive

                            no violence

                            unless we're dealing with the violent

                            many people need to learn this

                            especially "polite society" types who clutch their pearls if someone says "fuck." but they will let a vile bigoted lie pass if said serenely

                            society is either protected, or it isn't

                            it falls upon all of us to do the protecting, not for us to defer to some other entity to do so

                            log@mastodon.sdf.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
                            log@mastodon.sdf.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #15

                            @benroyce @Netraven @stux It's the social contract. It only protects you if you sign on. That puts a burden on the casual observer to verify non-adherence, but the fash are pretty open about not granting rights outside of their own tribe, so they are very easy to punch.

                            They understand the assignment. Everything good goes to loyal fascists, and everything bad to those outside their boundary of membership.

                            We of cooperative civilization need to pull in our benefits, away from our attackers.

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                            • log@mastodon.sdf.orgL log@mastodon.sdf.org

                              @benroyce @Netraven @stux It's the social contract. It only protects you if you sign on. That puts a burden on the casual observer to verify non-adherence, but the fash are pretty open about not granting rights outside of their own tribe, so they are very easy to punch.

                              They understand the assignment. Everything good goes to loyal fascists, and everything bad to those outside their boundary of membership.

                              We of cooperative civilization need to pull in our benefits, away from our attackers.

                              log@mastodon.sdf.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #16

                              @benroyce @Netraven @stux Our disadvantage in this is that we have extensive procedures for adopting and assimilating outsiders, and for correcting and rehabilitating renegades. The fash have subverted these. They do not realize those procedures are there to protect people from arbitrary eviction from civilization.

                              They think being above the law is good. It is not. It places one outside the boundary. A non-adherent to the contract.

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                              • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, resulting in an estimated 70 to 85 million total fatalities..

                                Only 80 years has passed and currently our political climate accepts parties that refuse to say they won't allow nazi's

                                Looking at you AfD, FvD, Republican Party and so on

                                If a party refuses to even bans Nazi's they should not have a place in the political spectrum

                                Don't argue or debate with Nazi's, ever

                                #iRefuse

                                jordi_patordi@mastodont.catJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #17

                                @stux as Jair Dominguez said "Fascism, Nazis, has to be treated with a punch in the mouth". Somehow, Vox, spanish version of the AfD, took the hint, and now he is being prosecuted by Spanish "justice", so I guess they really never left power

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                                • log@mastodon.sdf.orgL log@mastodon.sdf.org

                                  @benroyce @Netraven @stux Our disadvantage in this is that we have extensive procedures for adopting and assimilating outsiders, and for correcting and rehabilitating renegades. The fash have subverted these. They do not realize those procedures are there to protect people from arbitrary eviction from civilization.

                                  They think being above the law is good. It is not. It places one outside the boundary. A non-adherent to the contract.

                                  log@mastodon.sdf.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
                                  log@mastodon.sdf.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #18

                                  @benroyce @Netraven @stux Going to trial, then serving a carceral term in prison is the kind outcome for many crimes. If you opt out of that, you might just be summarily executed. By anyone who gets an opportunity. Outlaw means you aren't one of us, and no one will stand to defend your case.

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                                  • enema_cowboy@dotnet.socialE enema_cowboy@dotnet.social

                                    @stux We should be treating paramilitary Nazi groups* in May 2026 the same way we treated them after VE Day in May 1945. Same with the CSA Lost Causers rallying under Confederal Battle flags.

                                    *literal self-described Nazis with all the trappings of the Hitler regime.

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                                    #19

                                    @Enema_Cowboy @stux Couldn't we treat them the way we did the day *before* VE Day?

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                                    • log@mastodon.sdf.orgL log@mastodon.sdf.org

                                      @benroyce @Netraven @stux Going to trial, then serving a carceral term in prison is the kind outcome for many crimes. If you opt out of that, you might just be summarily executed. By anyone who gets an opportunity. Outlaw means you aren't one of us, and no one will stand to defend your case.

                                      log@mastodon.sdf.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #20

                                      @benroyce @Netraven @stux To TL;DR: this, we cannot allow anyone to use the infrastructure of civilization to destroy civilization.

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                                      • sonikku@techhub.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #21

                                        @PetterOfCats @stux @benroyce

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                                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                          @Netraven @stux

                                          no intolerance

                                          unless we're dealing with the intolerant

                                          no insensitivity

                                          unless we're dealing with the insensitive

                                          no violence

                                          unless we're dealing with the violent

                                          many people need to learn this

                                          especially "polite society" types who clutch their pearls if someone says "fuck." but they will let a vile bigoted lie pass if said serenely

                                          society is either protected, or it isn't

                                          it falls upon all of us to do the protecting, not for us to defer to some other entity to do so

                                          stux@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #22

                                          @benroyce @Netraven Perhaps we need to say fuck a little more often..

                                          In the context of ‘fuck off’ to nazi’s, billionaires, dictators etc

                                          I’m not going to be polite when so much is at stake, they should be glad we’re not coming for them in the literal sense

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