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  3. It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

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  • antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyzA antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyz

    @maya_b @cliffle I thought the name you see depended on your IP as I still see both the gulf and the lake using the old name and I assumed it was because I’m in Italy. Do Canadians (or Mexican in case of the gulf) see the Trump BS name? That would be some stupidity from Google.

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    #21

    @antopatriarca @maya_b @cliffle Google implemented this non law so well that some Canadian government sites didn't show Lake Ontario any more.

    https://hsnl.social/@eloy/117187268076254760

    Google compliance to actual law is, like always, glacial.

    https://hachyderm.io/@cliffle/117186781798605597

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    • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

      It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

      ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

      Every response is a choice.

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      #22

      @cliffle

      Everything Google does is intended to curry the favor of oil oligarchs, petrostate despots, and their financiers.

      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/major-investor-calls-on-google-owner-to-aggressively-cut-staff-and-pay

      https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/billionaire-hohn-more-google-layoffs-17736530.php

      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/heres-a-look-at-who.html

      https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligencer-trump-mbs-meeting-brings-ai-money-2025-11-20/

      https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-google-hand-dissident-data-to-saudi-arabia-activists-say-2023-7

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-05-13/trump-mbs-tout-1-trillion-saudi-deal-commitment

      https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-saudi-event-include-ceos-chevron-qualcomm-pfizer-source-says-2025-11-17/

      https://www.thenation.com/article/society/wall-street-mbs-saudi-al-rumayyan/

      https://www.businessinsider.com/how-investment-in-uber-brought-saudi-prince-to-silicon-valley-2020-9

      https://fortune.com/2024/01/08/amazon-microsoft-google-opening-saudi-arabia-hqs/

      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/us/politics/trump-saudi-business-lunch-musk-altman.html

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      • antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyzA antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyz

        @maya_b @cliffle I thought the name you see depended on your IP as I still see both the gulf and the lake using the old name and I assumed it was because I’m in Italy. Do Canadians (or Mexican in case of the gulf) see the Trump BS name? That would be some stupidity from Google.

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        #23

        @antopatriarca @maya_b @cliffle Germany sees "Lake Ontario (Lake America)". Not sure which other countries are affected how.

        I presume it will be consistent with the Gulf of Mexico.

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        • tjc_2@mastodon.socialT tjc_2@mastodon.social

          @cliffle

          Oh, GOOGLE - an executive order is NOT a law that YOU must obey. It's an order for the executive branch to follow unless it's not allowed by law. It's YOUR CHOICE to kowtow to this nonsense.

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          #24

          @TJC_2 @cliffle The usual trick is to threaten to end all government contracts on noncompliance.

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          • j2kun@mathstodon.xyzJ j2kun@mathstodon.xyz

            @tknarr @cliffle this is true, and the original post smells like disinformation.

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            #25

            @j2kun @tknarr @cliffle Pretty sure the USGS NGIS does not say which name to show in Germany?

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            • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

              @cliffle

              Everything Google does is intended to curry the favor of oil oligarchs, petrostate despots, and their financiers.

              https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/major-investor-calls-on-google-owner-to-aggressively-cut-staff-and-pay

              https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/billionaire-hohn-more-google-layoffs-17736530.php

              https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/heres-a-look-at-who.html

              https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligencer-trump-mbs-meeting-brings-ai-money-2025-11-20/

              https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-google-hand-dissident-data-to-saudi-arabia-activists-say-2023-7

              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-05-13/trump-mbs-tout-1-trillion-saudi-deal-commitment

              https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-saudi-event-include-ceos-chevron-qualcomm-pfizer-source-says-2025-11-17/

              https://www.thenation.com/article/society/wall-street-mbs-saudi-al-rumayyan/

              https://www.businessinsider.com/how-investment-in-uber-brought-saudi-prince-to-silicon-valley-2020-9

              https://fortune.com/2024/01/08/amazon-microsoft-google-opening-saudi-arabia-hqs/

              https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/us/politics/trump-saudi-business-lunch-musk-altman.html

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              #26

              @Npars01 @cliffle And an older one: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/google-apple-remove-navalny-app-stores-russian-elections-begin-2021-09-17/

              Yes, even Putin.

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              • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                Every response is a choice.

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                #27

                @cliffle

                "don't be evil"
                [follows dictates of a rapist]

                Google needs to be emptied out.

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                • divverent@social.vivaldi.netD divverent@social.vivaldi.net

                  @Npars01 @cliffle And an older one: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/google-apple-remove-navalny-app-stores-russian-elections-begin-2021-09-17/

                  Yes, even Putin.

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                  #28

                  @divVerent @cliffle

                  Google sides with authoritarians, always

                  Saudi Arabia
                  https://www.newsweek.com/what-absher-google-approved-saudi-government-app-tracks-women-1350005

                  https://english.aawsat.com/technology/4500261-over-26m-electronic-transactions-carried-out-through-saudi-arabias-absher

                  China
                  https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engine-censorship/

                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/02/google-working-on-censored-search-engine-for-china

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49015516

                  https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chinas-moonshot-talks-with-microsoft-amazon-google-over-k3-revenue-sharing-2026-08-26/

                  https://qz.com/moonshot-ai-kimi-k3-revenue-sharing-microsoft-amazon-google-082626

                  Russia
                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/15/google-helped-facilitate-russia-china-censorship-requests

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48262148

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/01/02/top-google-exec-pushed-company-commit-human-rights-then-google-pushed-him-out-he-says/

                  Orban
                  https://kyivindependent.com/orbans-party-biggest-spenders-of-google-advertising-in-eu/

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                  • divverent@social.vivaldi.netD divverent@social.vivaldi.net

                    @j2kun @tknarr @cliffle Pretty sure the USGS NGIS does not say which name to show in Germany?

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                    #29

                    @divVerent @tknarr @cliffle The German government also runs a place name system (BKG). Does it choose a different name that Maps ignores? If so, that might be worth complaining about.

                    My point is really that people should first learn how the systems work before posting rants about them.

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                    • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                      It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                      ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                      Every response is a choice.

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                      #30

                      @cliffle
                      Here in Australia, I see:
                      Lake Ontario
                      Gulf Of Mexico (Gulf Of America)

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                      • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                        It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                        ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                        Every response is a choice.

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                        #31

                        @cliffle

                        Google is gonzo for me. Finally ditched it today. Fuck them.

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                        • j2kun@mathstodon.xyzJ j2kun@mathstodon.xyz

                          @divVerent @tknarr @cliffle The German government also runs a place name system (BKG). Does it choose a different name that Maps ignores? If so, that might be worth complaining about.

                          My point is really that people should first learn how the systems work before posting rants about them.

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                          #32

                          @j2kun @tknarr @cliffle The BKG seems to return "Ontariosee" and "Lake Ontario", depending on which of its APIs one uses.

                          To some extent, the BKG reuses data from OpenStreetMap, BTW.

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                          • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                            It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                            ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                            Every response is a choice.

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                            #33

                            @cliffle they are just magically drawn to fellatio.

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                            • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                              It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                              ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                              Every response is a choice.

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                              #34

                              @cliffle it’s interesting how clueless you are …

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                              • maya_b@hachyderm.ioM maya_b@hachyderm.io

                                @antopatriarca

                                I checked from Ontario today, and it's still Lake Ontario.

                                Google announced that within the US it won't be shown as Lake Ontario however.

                                @cliffle

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                                #35

                                @maya_b @antopatriarca @cliffle what about the Gulf of Mexico, do you see it as "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)" or just one of them? Asking because I'd expect they do the same with the Lake at some point

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                                • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                  It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                  ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                  Every response is a choice.

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                                  #36

                                  @cliffle It definitely speaks loudly but unfortunately not enough. I would hope it helps wake up some people around me, but knowing their "It does not effect me" attitude - I doubt it.

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                                  • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                    It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                    ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                    Every response is a choice.

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                                    #37

                                    @cliffle Executive orders are not laws.

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                                    • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                      It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                      ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                      Every response is a choice.

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                                      #38

                                      @cliffle

                                      Just following orders like a good sycophant would...

                                      Remember 1945...

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                                      • divverent@social.vivaldi.netD divverent@social.vivaldi.net

                                        @antopatriarca @maya_b @cliffle Germany sees "Lake Ontario (Lake America)". Not sure which other countries are affected how.

                                        I presume it will be consistent with the Gulf of Mexico.

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                                        #39

                                        @divVerent @antopatriarca @maya_b @cliffle Same for Poland.

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                                        • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                          It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                          ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                          Every response is a choice.

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                                          #40

                                          @cliffle Tells me that they see themselves as a part of the US government.

                                          After letting that sink in for a bit, things they do/did now start to make a whole lot more sense.

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