Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
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@Tutanota No no no, not Tuta falling into this trap as well.
Do not "Buy European," that's useless at best and harmful at worst.
Buy tech that is ethical, gives you freedom, respects human rights and democracy, and isn't owned by fascist billionaires.
Otherwise we might just end up with European Google and European Palantir. (Which is what many politicians are actively working towards.)
@ilumium @Tutanota For that, EU politicians need to admit that this Capitalist system has failed, and start to think about an alternative (that’s not one on the other previously failed systems). But not caving to oligarchs and their FOMO of USA oligarchs seems like a difficult proposition for our EU representatives right now…
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@Tutanota No no no, not Tuta falling into this trap as well.
Do not "Buy European," that's useless at best and harmful at worst.
Buy tech that is ethical, gives you freedom, respects human rights and democracy, and isn't owned by fascist billionaires.
Otherwise we might just end up with European Google and European Palantir. (Which is what many politicians are actively working towards.)
@ilumium @Tutanota I think the sentiment is to buy European because the laws governing the data is in the hands of Europe, and we can improve legislation. Well I say “we”, but I’m in the UK and have no trust in the UK government’s ability to create good data protection laws. Which is why I am hoping the EU will continue pushing in its current direction.
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
@Tutanota Unfortunately such a huge focus on "AI, AI, AI"... the real importance is the fundamentals of data sovereignty (European data housed in Europe by European companies) and software. AI is a distraction.
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
@Tutanota In more laymen's terms, the EU is more of a 'patchwork' of countries, loosely tied. Therefore, more singular momentum in prioritized root infrastructure, is equally aloof, compared to more singular entities like the US and China - even given the bipolar duopoly in the US.
It's a very low probability this will ever change - especially the too-many-polar axes of the EU.
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@ilumium
Still, @Tutanota isn't wrong. They didn't say that you should just blindly take something European like an idiot.You have to act and choose with care.
But as often, they forgot @protonprivacy in their list.
@fruitless_tux @ilumium @Tutanota @protonprivacy I think it’s specifically the initiative, and if Proton isn’t a part, it’s not on the list. Perhaps it can’t be as it’s not EU. It’s not a statement that it’s bad or anything, obviously, just this new scheme. And it’s a chance for lesser known companies to become choices. Proton is well known enough already!
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
@Tutanota "But will they be bold enough?" No, they won't.
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
The EU HAS to be bold enough, we can do it and more than do this, just need to get on with it.
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
Growing up in the 1980s, I was taught that the European social-capitalist model offered a fair balance between capitalism and communism.
Our representative democracies have been both a strength and a weakness—providing stability, yet often struggling to preserve and implement the values on which the model was built.
Combined with globalization and the influence of powerful interests, this has contributed to the erosion of many of its achievements.
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@ilumium @Tutanota I think the sentiment is to buy European because the laws governing the data is in the hands of Europe, and we can improve legislation. Well I say “we”, but I’m in the UK and have no trust in the UK government’s ability to create good data protection laws. Which is why I am hoping the EU will continue pushing in its current direction.
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@cohentheblue @ilumium @Tutanota I would if I could. I’m in England. I’m a bit resigned to believing English people seem to be turkeys voting for Christmas. Giving up our rights without a fight out of fear of “otherness”, the government and opportunistic people are currently wrongly directing at immigrants.
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
@Tutanota you forgot Sailfish OS (and Jolla Phones)
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
"The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?"
The Americans buy Asian products sold as American brands.
And is deglobalisation and more nationalism really the solution?
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
How long will it take until vdLeyen tells Trump "ooops sorry, this wasn't serious, of course"?
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@Tutanota No no no, not Tuta falling into this trap as well.
Do not "Buy European," that's useless at best and harmful at worst.
Buy tech that is ethical, gives you freedom, respects human rights and democracy, and isn't owned by fascist billionaires.
Otherwise we might just end up with European Google and European Palantir. (Which is what many politicians are actively working towards.)
@ilumium Thanks for joining the discussion. We absolutely agree to anything you just said!
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
@Tutanota We should be independent where it counts…
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Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.
And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize
- Open source
- Buy EuropeanThe Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?
The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.
But will they be bold enough?
@Tutanota SUSE ftw
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@ilumium
Still, @Tutanota isn't wrong. They didn't say that you should just blindly take something European like an idiot.You have to act and choose with care.
But as often, they forgot @protonprivacy in their list.
@fruitless_tux Yes that's correct. But the post is part of a larger political debate in which the #BuyEuropean argument is mostly used by industrial politicians and industry lobbyists who want to hijack #DigitalSovereignty to funnel money into whatever is "European industry."
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@ilumium @Tutanota I think the sentiment is to buy European because the laws governing the data is in the hands of Europe, and we can improve legislation. Well I say “we”, but I’m in the UK and have no trust in the UK government’s ability to create good data protection laws. Which is why I am hoping the EU will continue pushing in its current direction.
@david I hear you, I really do. But I think the narrative that companies will better respect EU data protection (or any other) law because they're European (and more likely break it when they're not) is at best misleading.
Of course EU law applies to *all* companies active on the EU market, regardless of their HQ's location. And there are plenty of EU-based firms that routinely break #GDPR.
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@david I hear you, I really do. But I think the narrative that companies will better respect EU data protection (or any other) law because they're European (and more likely break it when they're not) is at best misleading.
Of course EU law applies to *all* companies active on the EU market, regardless of their HQ's location. And there are plenty of EU-based firms that routinely break #GDPR.
@ilumium @Tutanota Google (for instance) may operate in the EU, and therefore be subject to the laws in the EU, but the location of the data is.. somewhere/everywhere. I am concerned more about the privacy of data since it can be used to oppress people. The UK and USA regularly share intelligence. I'd rather that data stored out of the reach of countries whose integrity is currently in question. A smaller company is likely to have our data in fewer places.
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@ilumium @Tutanota Google (for instance) may operate in the EU, and therefore be subject to the laws in the EU, but the location of the data is.. somewhere/everywhere. I am concerned more about the privacy of data since it can be used to oppress people. The UK and USA regularly share intelligence. I'd rather that data stored out of the reach of countries whose integrity is currently in question. A smaller company is likely to have our data in fewer places.
@david I agree, that is a good point.
