Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.

[david@social.piconet.work]

@fruitless_tux @ilumium @Tutanota @protonprivacy I think it’s specifically the initiative, and if Proton isn’t a part, it’s not on the list. Perhaps it can’t be as it’s not EU. It’s not a statement that it’s bad or anything, obviously, just this new scheme. And it’s a chance for lesser known companies to become choices. Proton is well known enough already!

[cairobraga@gts.cairobraga.com]

@Tutanota "But will they be bold enough?" No, they won't.

[zleap@techhub.social]

@Tutanota

The EU HAS to be bold enough, we can do it and more than do this, just need to get on with it.

[terefang74@mastodon.social]

@Tutanota

Growing up in the 1980s, I was taught that the European social-capitalist model offered a fair balance between capitalism and communism.

Our representative democracies have been both a strength and a weakness—providing stability, yet often struggling to preserve and implement the values on which the model was built.

Combined with globalization and the influence of powerful interests, this has contributed to the erosion of many of its achievements.

[cohentheblue@ohai.social]

@david @ilumium @Tutanota Perhaps you're from Scotland, in which case you should support the independence movement as loud as you can...

[david@social.piconet.work]

@cohentheblue @ilumium @Tutanota I would if I could. I’m in England. I’m a bit resigned to believing English people seem to be turkeys voting for Christmas. Giving up our rights without a fight out of fear of “otherness”, the government and opportunistic people are currently wrongly directing at immigrants.

[s1m0n4@ohai.social]

@Tutanota you forgot Sailfish OS (and Jolla Phones)

[mterburg@mastodon.social]

@Tutanota

"The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?"

The Americans buy Asian products sold as American brands.

And is deglobalisation and more nationalism really the solution?

[haraldki@nrw.social]

@Tutanota

How long will it take until vdLeyen tells Trump "ooops sorry, this wasn't serious, of course"?

[tutanota@mastodon.social]

@ilumium Thanks for joining the discussion. We absolutely agree to anything you just said!

[xs4me2@mastodon.social]

@Tutanota We should be independent where it counts…

[utf_7@mastodon.social]

@Tutanota SUSE ftw

[ilumium@eupolicy.social]

@fruitless_tux Yes that's correct. But the post is part of a larger political debate in which the #BuyEuropean argument is mostly used by industrial politicians and industry lobbyists who want to hijack #DigitalSovereignty to funnel money into whatever is "European industry."

@Tutanota

[ilumium@eupolicy.social]

@david I hear you, I really do. But I think the narrative that companies will better respect EU data protection (or any other) law because they're European (and more likely break it when they're not) is at best misleading.

Of course EU law applies to *all* companies active on the EU market, regardless of their HQ's location. And there are plenty of EU-based firms that routinely break #GDPR.

@Tutanota

[david@social.piconet.work]

@ilumium @Tutanota Google (for instance) may operate in the EU, and therefore be subject to the laws in the EU, but the location of the data is.. somewhere/everywhere. I am concerned more about the privacy of data since it can be used to oppress people. The UK and USA regularly share intelligence. I'd rather that data stored out of the reach of countries whose integrity is currently in question. A smaller company is likely to have our data in fewer places.

[ilumium@eupolicy.social]

@david I agree, that is a good point.

[david@social.piconet.work]

@ilumium Having said that, I really think it's important that companies are transparent about where the data is stored. Jurisdictionally, not street-level addresses, of course. I just don't think a big company like Google could do that because the answer is probably a dozen different countries.