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  3. Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package.

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  • cohentheblue@ohai.socialC cohentheblue@ohai.social

    @david @ilumium @Tutanota Perhaps you're from Scotland, in which case you should support the independence movement as loud as you can...

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    @cohentheblue @ilumium @Tutanota I would if I could. I’m in England. I’m a bit resigned to believing English people seem to be turkeys voting for Christmas. Giving up our rights without a fight out of fear of “otherness”, the government and opportunistic people are currently wrongly directing at immigrants.

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    • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

      Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package. 🇪🇺

      And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize

      - Open source
      - Buy European

      The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?

      The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.

      But will they be bold enough?

      #OpenSourceFirst #DigitalSovereignty

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      #20

      @Tutanota you forgot Sailfish OS (and Jolla Phones)

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      • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

        Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package. 🇪🇺

        And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize

        - Open source
        - Buy European

        The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?

        The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.

        But will they be bold enough?

        #OpenSourceFirst #DigitalSovereignty

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        #21

        @Tutanota

        "The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?"

        The Americans buy Asian products sold as American brands.

        And is deglobalisation and more nationalism really the solution?

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        • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

          Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package. 🇪🇺

          And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize

          - Open source
          - Buy European

          The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?

          The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.

          But will they be bold enough?

          #OpenSourceFirst #DigitalSovereignty

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          #22

          @Tutanota

          How long will it take until vdLeyen tells Trump "ooops sorry, this wasn't serious, of course"?

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          • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

            @Tutanota No no no, not Tuta falling into this trap as well. 😢

            Do not "Buy European," that's useless at best and harmful at worst.

            Buy tech that is ethical, gives you freedom, respects human rights and democracy, and isn't owned by fascist billionaires.

            Otherwise we might just end up with European Google and European Palantir. (Which is what many politicians are actively working towards.)

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            #23

            @ilumium Thanks for joining the discussion. We absolutely agree to anything you just said!

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            • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

              Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package. 🇪🇺

              And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize

              - Open source
              - Buy European

              The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?

              The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.

              But will they be bold enough?

              #OpenSourceFirst #DigitalSovereignty

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              #24

              @Tutanota We should be independent where it counts…

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              • tutanota@mastodon.socialT tutanota@mastodon.social

                Today is the day: The European Commission is expected to publish the EU Tech Sovereignty Package. 🇪🇺

                And the demand is clear. When purchasing software products, European authorities must prioritize

                - Open source
                - Buy European

                The Americans buy American, the Chinese buy Chinese, when will Europe start to support its own industry?

                The EU Tech Sovereignty Package can be a turning point for #digital #sovereignty.

                But will they be bold enough?

                #OpenSourceFirst #DigitalSovereignty

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                #25

                @Tutanota SUSE ftw

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                • fruitless_tux@mastodon.socialF fruitless_tux@mastodon.social

                  @ilumium
                  Still, @Tutanota isn't wrong. They didn't say that you should just blindly take something European like an idiot.

                  You have to act and choose with care.

                  But as often, they forgot @protonprivacy in their list.

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                  #26

                  @fruitless_tux Yes that's correct. But the post is part of a larger political debate in which the #BuyEuropean argument is mostly used by industrial politicians and industry lobbyists who want to hijack #DigitalSovereignty to funnel money into whatever is "European industry."

                  @Tutanota

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                  • david@social.piconet.workD david@social.piconet.work

                    @ilumium @Tutanota I think the sentiment is to buy European because the laws governing the data is in the hands of Europe, and we can improve legislation. Well I say “we”, but I’m in the UK and have no trust in the UK government’s ability to create good data protection laws. Which is why I am hoping the EU will continue pushing in its current direction.

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                    #27

                    @david I hear you, I really do. But I think the narrative that companies will better respect EU data protection (or any other) law because they're European (and more likely break it when they're not) is at best misleading.

                    Of course EU law applies to *all* companies active on the EU market, regardless of their HQ's location. And there are plenty of EU-based firms that routinely break #GDPR.

                    @Tutanota

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                    • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                      @david I hear you, I really do. But I think the narrative that companies will better respect EU data protection (or any other) law because they're European (and more likely break it when they're not) is at best misleading.

                      Of course EU law applies to *all* companies active on the EU market, regardless of their HQ's location. And there are plenty of EU-based firms that routinely break #GDPR.

                      @Tutanota

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                      #28

                      @ilumium @Tutanota Google (for instance) may operate in the EU, and therefore be subject to the laws in the EU, but the location of the data is.. somewhere/everywhere. I am concerned more about the privacy of data since it can be used to oppress people. The UK and USA regularly share intelligence. I'd rather that data stored out of the reach of countries whose integrity is currently in question. A smaller company is likely to have our data in fewer places.

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                      • david@social.piconet.workD david@social.piconet.work

                        @ilumium @Tutanota Google (for instance) may operate in the EU, and therefore be subject to the laws in the EU, but the location of the data is.. somewhere/everywhere. I am concerned more about the privacy of data since it can be used to oppress people. The UK and USA regularly share intelligence. I'd rather that data stored out of the reach of countries whose integrity is currently in question. A smaller company is likely to have our data in fewer places.

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                        #29

                        @david I agree, that is a good point.

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                        • ilumium@eupolicy.socialI ilumium@eupolicy.social

                          @david I agree, that is a good point.

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                          @ilumium Having said that, I really think it's important that companies are transparent about where the data is stored. Jurisdictionally, not street-level addresses, of course. I just don't think a big company like Google could do that because the answer is probably a dozen different countries.

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