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There is a correct solution to the trolley problem.

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  • gittaca@chaos.socialG gittaca@chaos.social

    @MySideIsHumanity @mattdm @slothrop There's indeed research about those dilemma scenarios, and a whole critique of the scenario setups: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Lind_(Psychologe)#Schriften
    Admittedly, I'm not sure which of those, but I've heard that guy worked on more teachable dilemmas.

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    @gittaca @mattdm @slothrop If so (and I don't know of any reason to doubt it), all of my sympathies to him.

    I imagine it must be a special kind of frustrating-bordering-on-maddening to try to create a larger framework to enlighten people… only to be best known for a question, innocent in and of itself (and useful under sharply-limited circumstances), that's being amplified out of its context to fuel a false dichotomy of how to view society.

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    • mattdm@hachyderm.ioM mattdm@hachyderm.io

      There is a correct solution to the trolley problem.

      It is this: you design the system with positive train control. You make it so the trolley cannot enter a section where there are people, and you make it so the trolley can be stopped quickly if something goes wrong.

      I've been told that this is cheating, a cop-out, or avoiding the "interesting" aspects of the question. I don't think it is. Framing the world as a series of individual can't-win situations and lose-lose decisions _is_ the problem.

      Don't do that.

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      @mattdm See also: Konayashi Maru, and specifically Kirk’s solutions

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        @t54r4n1 @mattdm MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING!

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        • mattdm@hachyderm.ioM mattdm@hachyderm.io

          There is a correct solution to the trolley problem.

          It is this: you design the system with positive train control. You make it so the trolley cannot enter a section where there are people, and you make it so the trolley can be stopped quickly if something goes wrong.

          I've been told that this is cheating, a cop-out, or avoiding the "interesting" aspects of the question. I don't think it is. Framing the world as a series of individual can't-win situations and lose-lose decisions _is_ the problem.

          Don't do that.

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          @mattdm

          AND WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT ASSHOLE TYING PEOPLE TO THE TRACKS IN THE FIRST PLACE WHY IS THAT GUY NOT EVEN IN THE GODDAMNED PICTURE

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