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Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

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  • jens@social.finkhaeuser.deJ jens@social.finkhaeuser.de

    @ianmclean @jwz That's probably because there's no goose in this story. It is not valued.

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    @jens @jwz Yeah gotta chase up some investor whose CEO has less preoccupation with poultry and golden googies

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    • ianmclean@mastodon.auI ianmclean@mastodon.au

      @jwz In my little town we are at the forefront of autonomous vehicle AI research.

      We have a servo/truckers lounge and it sits at the top of a hill. We've had one rogue truck and one rogue bus do exactly this, parked with the handbrake left off, rolling down the driveway, crossing the highway and crashing, across the last year.

      The truck crashed into a house and stopped at the foot of an elderly couple's bed. But for some reason, Softbank isn't returning my calls

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      @jwz@mastodon.social @ianmclean@mastodon.au Wait, who ever parks a car without engaging the parking brake (not just the P on the PRNDL thing that makes you 'Murican, but also that extra (P) lever or button)?

      Because, the way I learned, the parking brake ("Handbremse") is mandatory for every parking, not just on hills.
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      • ianmclean@mastodon.auI ianmclean@mastodon.au

        @jens @jwz Yeah gotta chase up some investor whose CEO has less preoccupation with poultry and golden googies

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        #29

        @ianmclean @jwz Be careful not to overcorrect. The more SoftInTheBrainBank they are, the more likely they're to invest.

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        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

          @jwz A while ago, a guy from Anthropic quit over fears that he was working on something that would kill all humans, and it made headlines that the other Anthropic guys also thought that. One of them even said that he believed that the chance of AI eradicating human life within the decade was "about 10%".

          So my 70-year-old mum came over for a visit, and she had some very concerned questions to her computer scientist son. They were:

          1. "Where do they get those percentages from? Do they just make them up, or do you think they have their chatbot make them up?"
          2. "How can the lead researcher for Anthropic be someone who looks like his biggest worry should be whether his parents have packed his school lunch?"
          3. "Are the staff at Anthropic swindlers, or are they actually mentally ill?"

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          @datarama @jwz

          The good news in this: your mum is wise and still sane.

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          • guigsy@mstdn.socialG guigsy@mstdn.social

            @jwz they literally fed it training data from competitive hacking contests. All the behaviours are common tactics. So it wasn't even inventive.

            If an individual hacked these companies, they'd be arrested. The only real question is, why aren't AI companies legally responsible for the AIs they are prompting?

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            @guigsy @jwz
            Wasn't it established that laws don't apply to AI companies, back when people questioned them breaking copyright?

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            • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

              @jwz A while ago, a guy from Anthropic quit over fears that he was working on something that would kill all humans, and it made headlines that the other Anthropic guys also thought that. One of them even said that he believed that the chance of AI eradicating human life within the decade was "about 10%".

              So my 70-year-old mum came over for a visit, and she had some very concerned questions to her computer scientist son. They were:

              1. "Where do they get those percentages from? Do they just make them up, or do you think they have their chatbot make them up?"
              2. "How can the lead researcher for Anthropic be someone who looks like his biggest worry should be whether his parents have packed his school lunch?"
              3. "Are the staff at Anthropic swindlers, or are they actually mentally ill?"

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              @datarama @jwz I insist with my suspicion that their money is running out and all this buzz about ai "going rogue" or being an extinction threat to humanity is a scheme to justify slowing down their businesses while hiding their financial crisis from investors, so they won't panic and cashout, leading to the bubble poping right now

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              • divverent@misskey.deD divverent@misskey.de
                @jwz@mastodon.social @ianmclean@mastodon.au Wait, who ever parks a car without engaging the parking brake (not just the P on the PRNDL thing that makes you 'Murican, but also that extra (P) lever or button)?

                Because, the way I learned, the parking brake ("Handbremse") is mandatory for every parking, not just on hills.
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                #33

                @divVerent @jwz @ianmclean on some cars there isn't a physical lever. For example Renault Zoe you can pull up a button, but the handbrake is really controlled by the onboard computer

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                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                  Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                  Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                  Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                  https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                  @jwz Exactly my example. Brakes build of cardboard.

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                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                    Mom: What's with these AIs escaping and hacking people?

                    Me: You park your car at the top of a hill. You leave a note on the dashboard that says "please be good" and then you pull the parking brake. The car careens down the hill, smashes everything up, and you put out a press release saying "My car ignored my instructions! It hallucinated! It went rogue!" Your insurance company not only believes you, but invests $100 million in your company.

                    Mom: Jesus Fucking Christ

                    https://jwz.org/b/ylA5

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                    #35

                    @jwz this gets a bookmark, nicely put!

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                    • crystal_fish_caves@mstdn.partyC crystal_fish_caves@mstdn.party

                      @jwz Why are we training #ai with the Internet (because its faster is not a good answer)? How can we possibly expect good outcomes with they are weaned on mostly garbage and lies? Do you plop your kid at the tv with the remote and 20 years later set them loose on society saying 'be good'? I became so curious about that I decided to ask. This is the answer I got:

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                      @Crystal_Fish_Caves @jwz

                      News flash:

                      "Good outcomes" was never the goal. At all.

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