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  • ryanprior@mastodon.socialR ryanprior@mastodon.social

    @lumi I agree with a lot of what you wrote but would differ on some things, are you interested in back-and-forth here?

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    #127

    @ryanprior sure

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    • frenezul0_o@mastodon.socialF frenezul0_o@mastodon.social

      @oatrapado @grote Europeans might come to the rescue in the coming years with creations like FairPhone and Jolla Phone. Maybe if the donations start flooding in, Pine64 might be convinced to put more effort into the PinePhone.

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      #128

      @Frenezul0_o @grote those chinese/european phones are just obsolete and overprized, pinephone another archeological piece at a high price.

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      • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

        @agowa338 @grote i mean its more 'sorry that the world is like this'

        fuck hierachy, fuck power, fuck masters, fuck kings; no kings no masters, right?

        .. but they'll never be effected by something thats supposed to give more power to your masters, and strip power from you;

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        #129

        @Li @grote

        You're absolutely right. However I think you misinterpreted my initial post. That was to be seen more of the lines of "if life gives you lemons make lemonade" (and kinda ironically).

        I just wanted to make readers think about all of this and the implications 🙂

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        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

          @TimWardCam That's not my main concern, but I think there's exceptions for device management solutions. Also they could just register with Google if needed.

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          #130

          @grote @TimWardCam Google has a whole "Managed Google Play" as part of Enterprise Android support: https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/9495634?hl=en
          I don't think companies doing such things will be fussed by this at all. A company using Android devices but not using enterprise management would already be in a pretty self-inflicted state of badness.
          Edit: https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/faq explicitly says this doesn't affect enterprise apps.

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          • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

            @CalcProgrammer1 @itsFriday @grote its wrong to assume this is about stopping scams or will do anything to stop scammers-

            scammers will.. simply .. just ask you to enter your details into a web application, instead of a 'native' app, and nothing changes

            the purpose is control, the purpose is survailence, the purpose is to deny certain people the 'privledge' of making android apps, the purpose is to send armed forces to your house to socially/actually murder you if you make an app they dont approve of

            the purpose is not to 'stop scammers' 🙂

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            #131

            @Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote Yes, that's why I think the 24h are the only reasonable steps.

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            • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

              @Li @grote

              You're absolutely right. However I think you misinterpreted my initial post. That was to be seen more of the lines of "if life gives you lemons make lemonade" (and kinda ironically).

              I just wanted to make readers think about all of this and the implications 🙂

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              #132

              @agowa338 @grote bleh ive been seeing techbros unironically supporting this because "muh scammers" .. as if they wont just switch to using a fucking web app overnight

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              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                * enable developer options
                * confirm that you are not tricked
                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                * wait one day
                * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                * confirm that you accept the risks
                * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                #133

                @grote the point about requiring biometrics is incorrect. The blog post states that you need to confirm with "biometric authentication [...] or device PIN."

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                  * enable developer options
                  * confirm that you are not tricked
                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                  * wait one day
                  * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                  * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                  * confirm that you accept the risks
                  * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                  #134

                  @grote here, "sideloading" means "installing apps from developers who have not submitted a drop of blood to Google"

                  the drop of blood thing is an exaggeration; we don't yet know if something more, like an entire finger, will be required

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                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                    * enable developer options
                    * confirm that you are not tricked
                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                    * wait one day
                    * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                    * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                    * confirm that you accept the risks
                    * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                    #135

                    @grote Judging by the attached image, biometrics are not mandatory, device PIN should work. Very bad, but mandatory biometrics is what would make it terrible, at least for me.

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                    • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

                      @grote @TimWardCam Google has a whole "Managed Google Play" as part of Enterprise Android support: https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/9495634?hl=en
                      I don't think companies doing such things will be fussed by this at all. A company using Android devices but not using enterprise management would already be in a pretty self-inflicted state of badness.
                      Edit: https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/faq explicitly says this doesn't affect enterprise apps.

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                      #136

                      @tedmielczarek @grote I'm thinking of a small company with a dozen or so developers who have one Android app that talks to their back end, for use by a few dozen installation crews. Anything with "enterprise" in its name would be *vastly* too expensive to be of any use to a company like that.

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                      • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

                        @agowa338 @grote bleh ive been seeing techbros unironically supporting this because "muh scammers" .. as if they wont just switch to using a fucking web app overnight

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                        #137

                        @Li @grote

                        Well I still think this approach from google is a good first draft to start a discussion.

                        But all of the border agent stuff was more of a "making the best out of a shitty situation".

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                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                          * enable developer options
                          * confirm that you are not tricked
                          * restart phone and re-authenticate
                          * wait one day
                          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                          * confirm that you accept the risks
                          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                          #138

                          @grote

                          First point is:
                          * be evil

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                          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                            * enable developer options
                            * confirm that you are not tricked
                            * restart phone and re-authenticate
                            * wait one day
                            * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                            * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                            * confirm that you accept the risks
                            * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                            #139

                            @grote Google always finds new ways to give me a reason to say fuck google.

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                            • calcprogrammer1@mastodon.socialC calcprogrammer1@mastodon.social

                              @itsFriday @grote How so? It's the one that's getting in your way the most. Want to use this app today? Screw you. Why do we cater to idiots getting scammed more than letting people own the devices we bought with our own money?

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                              #140

                              @CalcProgrammer1 @itsFriday @grote
                              And it's not even about malware. Plenty in the Playstore. It's about Google deciding they are in control of your phone. You only rented it.

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                              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                * enable developer options
                                * confirm that you are not tricked
                                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                * wait one day
                                * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                * confirm that you accept the risks
                                * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                #141

                                @grote

                                "scammers often pressure victims into disabling security measures"

                                gee Google, i wonder where they might find malware that would bypass those "security measures" without any pressure at all??? oh well not fucking important i guess.

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                                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                  * enable developer options
                                  * confirm that you are not tricked
                                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                  * wait one day
                                  * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                  * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                  * confirm that you accept the risks
                                  * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                  #142

                                  @grote buried in the FAQ, but note that they are saying that installation via ADB will not be affected by these changes: https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/faq
                                  So these sideloading changes are to cover "download an APK file from the internet and install it without using a secondary device".

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                                  • lexyeen@plush.cityL lexyeen@plush.city

                                    @grote remember, kids: "sideloading" is just "installing software that isn't on the app store." the corpos are just calling it "sideloading" because it sounds shadier.

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                                    #143

                                    @LexYeen @grote little do they know calling it "sideloading" just makes it seem like i'm a hacker and i feel cool for doing it

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                                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                      * enable developer options
                                      * confirm that you are not tricked
                                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                      * wait one day
                                      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                      * confirm that you accept the risks
                                      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                      #144

                                      @grote Nope.

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                                      • itsfriday@toot.communityI itsfriday@toot.community

                                        @Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote Yes, that's why I think the 24h are the only reasonable steps.

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                                        #145

                                        @Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote It could be skipped on the very first startup with a question: "Would you like to do some settings for advanced user? Please only click 'yes' if you informed yourselve extensive beforehand."

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                                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                          * enable developer options
                                          * confirm that you are not tricked
                                          * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                          * wait one day
                                          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                          * confirm that you accept the risks
                                          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                          #146

                                          @grote Can we please use this flow for enabling macros in MS Office?

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