I think the appearance of free software really broke the oligarch's brains.
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@petealexharris but all that #LLM generated code has to be considered #GNU #GPL, because GNU General Public License code was certainly included in all the training sets. Clause 5(c) applies.
@simon_brooke @petealexharris Don't forget that #LLM may also be trained on code that are open source with licenses incompatible with #GPL ... imagine the generated code with those mixed together. Maybe a death spell for the LLM companies? We'll see! (naturally that requires a lot of lawsuits to find out).
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@petealexharris I also have the sense that the LLM people are basically L. Bob Rifeing humanity. How dare the employees have the knowledge of writing computer programs in their brains! That should be company property.
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@petealexharris I sometimes wonder when they will convince governments that software will be “unsafe” unless it’s made with certain programming languages, cloud IDEs, and only running in certified clouds.
@petealexharris Ok. Guess I don't have to wonder anymore: https://climatejustice.social/@terminaltilt/115896899179047548
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@petealexharris Ok. Guess I don't have to wonder anymore: https://climatejustice.social/@terminaltilt/115896899179047548
@kejster
They would own you if they could, but they're presently not allowed to, so owning everything you use or interact with will do until that nuisance, democracy, has been cleared out of the way. -
See also: Wikipedia
What ever happened to Musk's "alternative" to Wikipedia?
That thing that was just wholesale theft of material from Wikipedia and elsewhere with added fascism and "free speech".
It was launched with a grand fanfare and every right minded person took one look at it before laughing at Musk some more.
Grokpedia is an effort to poison pill all the Ai intakes.
Neo-luddites do it with gibberish
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I think the appearance of free software really broke the oligarch's brains. People are just giving away stuff that should be Shareholder Value? And we *can't* buy it off them and own it? People are just running a compiler whenever they like to make whatever they want without paying anyone?
The push to adopt LLM-powered code generation tools is so frenzied and desperate partly because it's a perceived solution to claw back ownership of the means of production into the Right Hands.
@petealexharris I would further argue that the frenzied push to enact legislation (see CA and CO) that says all OS must have age verification implemented or they're "illegal" and the OS creator liable for an obscene fine per user.
That is a deliberate and ongoing attempt to kill any OS that isn't owned or controlled by the oligarchs.
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Grokpedia is an effort to poison pill all the Ai intakes.
Neo-luddites do it with gibberish
Felon Muscovite does it with fascism.I don't think Elmo Muskrat is clever enough to think up an idea like that.
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I think the appearance of free software really broke the oligarch's brains. People are just giving away stuff that should be Shareholder Value? And we *can't* buy it off them and own it? People are just running a compiler whenever they like to make whatever they want without paying anyone?
The push to adopt LLM-powered code generation tools is so frenzied and desperate partly because it's a perceived solution to claw back ownership of the means of production into the Right Hands.
@petealexharris But there is the argument that by scraping FOSS repositories LLMs are liable to include code already released under, eg, GPL. Possibly even entire libraries. Thus requiring them to release their code that's derived from or incorporates the original free software. Going to be hell to prove though.
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I think the appearance of free software really broke the oligarch's brains. People are just giving away stuff that should be Shareholder Value? And we *can't* buy it off them and own it? People are just running a compiler whenever they like to make whatever they want without paying anyone?
The push to adopt LLM-powered code generation tools is so frenzied and desperate partly because it's a perceived solution to claw back ownership of the means of production into the Right Hands.
@petealexharris - which is also why we are going to se massive, billionaire-founded pushback against the repeated legal judgement that AI generated content can't be copyrighted. They didn't see that coming either & unlike our desire to create for creation's sake, "fixing" that is something they can do with their money...
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@petealexharris - which is also why we are going to se massive, billionaire-founded pushback against the repeated legal judgement that AI generated content can't be copyrighted. They didn't see that coming either & unlike our desire to create for creation's sake, "fixing" that is something they can do with their money...
@jwcph
I wouldn't be surprised. You can't extract rent off an asset if the law doesn't say you have exclusive rights to it. The exclusion is the lever of extraction; merely having something is only worth what the thing is worth in itself if anyone else can have it too without paying you.Also, AI data centres run at a huge loss on current pricing, and they can't jack up the prices to profitable levels for a service that doesn't produce ownable output.
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