People like to forget that fighting climate change is about _saving human lives_ and not about saving Earth.
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@LaChasseuse there were multiple points in the last 500 million years alone when the global temperature was >20ºC than today
before that fluctuations were even more extreme (but life wasn't as highly evolved yet)
(Source: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705)
@thomasfuchs Yeah, the *planet*, (ie, a hunk of rock in outer space) will be just fine, but most life as we know it won't be around.
Tardigrades are nice and all, but I would hate to see the starlings, the sea gulls, the deer, the spiders and butterflies, our food crops, daisies, pine trees, trout, hamsters, beluga - all those things - disappear forever. -
@joenash @LaChasseuse people care about neither
many don’t even care when it affects at them personally and directly, like the people whose children are dying from measles and they say “I still wouldn’t have vaccinated my child”
crooked worldviews are a thing that needs to be destroyed, it cannot be argued away
@thomasfuchs I once asked a man who said he wasn't going to make any lifestyle changes due to runaway climate change how he could think about leaving such a world for his children and he said "Well, that will be their problem to solve, not mine."
His own kids, his own grandchildren.
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs/116346848141590494
People like to forget that fighting climate change is about _saving human lives_ and not about saving Earth.
Even if it's 20 degrees higher or 20 degrees lower on average, Earth will do fine, life will do fine, nature will be fine—but humans won't be fine.
@thomasfuchs Yep, I mean also in the scale of things humans will probably be fine as a species (aside from nuclear shenanigans I suppose) but also millions of people+ will die and that can definitely include each of our families.
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs/116346848141590494
People like to forget that fighting climate change is about _saving human lives_ and not about saving Earth.
Even if it's 20 degrees higher or 20 degrees lower on average, Earth will do fine, life will do fine, nature will be fine—but humans won't be fine.
@{thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io} Yeah, this annoys me so often, people shouting “save the Earth!”.
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs/116346848141590494
People like to forget that fighting climate change is about _saving human lives_ and not about saving Earth.
Even if it's 20 degrees higher or 20 degrees lower on average, Earth will do fine, life will do fine, nature will be fine—but humans won't be fine.
@thomasfuchs The rich humans will be fine. The poor ones will suffer, die or both.
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@thomasfuchs yeah, sounds amazing for the environment
Speaking for one small American man, I'm so sorry for what this president is doing.
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@thomasfuchs Well yeah. Not saying it would be the first die-off ever. After all, we lost both the megafauna and the dinos.
I hope I won't be alive to see the birds falling out of the trees and small dead mammals on the forest paths.@LaChasseuse we lost some dinosaurs, birds are still with us.
they’re likely to be the ones which can adapt the easiest by migration; presumably that’s why they’re the only surviving dinosaur theropods
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@thomasfuchs Yeah, the *planet*, (ie, a hunk of rock in outer space) will be just fine, but most life as we know it won't be around.
Tardigrades are nice and all, but I would hate to see the starlings, the sea gulls, the deer, the spiders and butterflies, our food crops, daisies, pine trees, trout, hamsters, beluga - all those things - disappear forever.@LaChasseuse @thomasfuchs Hell, I even kind of like some of the humans, but they are a lot less appealing in the absence of civilization, which is even more delicate than life.
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Didn't George Carlin say something like "The planet is fine, the people are fucked"?
Climate change is gonna cause a lot of needless suffering among human and non-human living things. Up to and including extinction events. But I think we'll end up reducing our own population faster than we can render the planet literally inhospitable to life.
Life, uh, finds a way.
But, yes, this is no excuse to do whatever we can to fight climate change.
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@thomasfuchs @can True, it would be a lot cooler if we were not committing suicide so quickly. What's the hurry y'all?
@thestrangelet @thomasfuchs @can Maybe because we really can’t do a long-run death march on fossil fuels at this point. Slowing it down would involve getting off of those fossil fuels, and if we do that, we might need nuclear bombs to do suicide. That likely isn’t going to be slow.
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@thomasfuchs The rich humans will be fine. The poor ones will suffer, die or both.
@bit @thomasfuchs Maybe the rich will be fine, maybe they won’t. Either way, the rest of us will suffer first.
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