I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
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@gsuberland God. That's awful. I'm so sorry.
@prism it was Office that tricked us. there's a "back up to OneDrive" toggle. so obviously that got turned on because sure, we want it backed up. but as you discovered too, it ain't a backup. worst part is it kept a local copy in Documents, but didn't continue to update it (just left the last version she had saved prior to the toggle). so when we looked in Documents, hey, there the file was. but it wasn't the one she was actually editing.
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@prism it was Office that tricked us. there's a "back up to OneDrive" toggle. so obviously that got turned on because sure, we want it backed up. but as you discovered too, it ain't a backup. worst part is it kept a local copy in Documents, but didn't continue to update it (just left the last version she had saved prior to the toggle). so when we looked in Documents, hey, there the file was. but it wasn't the one she was actually editing.
@prism the fact that it tricked me too, given that Windows internals is my thing, goes to show how misleading their descriptions are of the thing. if I can't figure it out before getting bitten then I don't think many people have a chance either.
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@prism the fact that it tricked me too, given that Windows internals is my thing, goes to show how misleading their descriptions are of the thing. if I can't figure it out before getting bitten then I don't think many people have a chance either.
@gsuberland Thank you! I keep getting these insufferable Linux people like, "Oh! I see the problem. You used windows! You should have backed it up. LUL!" I can't talk to them so this is now your job. I'm sorry.
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@gsuberland Thank you! I keep getting these insufferable Linux people like, "Oh! I see the problem. You used windows! You should have backed it up. LUL!" I can't talk to them so this is now your job. I'm sorry.
@prism the "just use linux" crowd are insufferable. luckily I get to pull out my "I use FreeBSD, fuckwad" card.
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@prism the "just use linux" crowd are insufferable. luckily I get to pull out my "I use FreeBSD, fuckwad" card.
@gsuberland Sadly I can't use BSD or Linux, but I appreciate the sentiment.
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@gsuberland Sadly I can't use BSD or Linux, but I appreciate the sentiment.
@prism I only use it for my servers tbh. Windows on my desktops still.
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism can microsoft be sued for this?
JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism so... NOW area you ready to switch to linux?
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@librarysquirrel @altlazybear @prism They don't force an Apple ID (yet) but they do force cloud activation during the recovery/install phase. If you don't have a WiFi network, USB hotspot or ethernet bridge, you're screwed if you want to set up macOS. Lack of a network connection isn't so much the problem insomuch as Apple deciding they will no longer activate your Mac. Oh, and they activate iCloud without your consent too, so there's that. They all suck.
@jackf723 @librarysquirrel @altlazybear @prism And iCloud / iPhone did this precise thing to me on iOS last year.
I had to go in afterwards and explicitly unset all the "store in iCloud" bullshit because they started doing it without telling me. I lost over two years of symptom logs that I had explicitly stored on my phone when I set them up. But the OS update modified the settings without telling me, and when I disconnected iCloud (under the mistaken impression I wasn't using it), they vanished.
They all suck.
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@prism can microsoft be sued for this?
JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT JOINT LAWSUIT
@RueNahcMohr I mean, maybe? I feel like it is actionable. MS would probably argue (as some others have in this thread) that they notified me via emails and/or low disc space notifications etc. Therefore it's not their problem. It doesn't help that I don't even know how or why they become offline only, I would have to prove that I didn't press a button once in ten years. I think. I'm not a lawyer. Maybe? Worth a shot I guess. But how do you even calculate damages? It's all very messy. And what would I even get out of it?
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@prism so... NOW area you ready to switch to linux?
@RueNahcMohr Blocked.
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@prism so... NOW area you ready to switch to linux?
@RueNahcMohr I'll be "ready" to switch to Linux when Linux is ready to accept me. Unfortunately they have and will never prioritize accessibility for blind people. Grow an empathy gland.
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@norad Actually, I tell a lie: I can preview the files. If I try and restore them, it tells me that "the cloud operation cannot be performed on a read-only volume" and skips them.
@prism That's a weird error message. If you can preview them, then the contents must be read from somewhere. Also what does it even mean with "read-only" volume ?? So weird
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism It’s an absolute disgrace. Similar but slightly different thing happened to me and it nuked my files too. Thankfully I’d a backup but I feel for you.
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@simonzerafa OMG that's horrible! They're literally holding your data hostage for the sake of a $5/mo cloud subscription. Absolute fucking demons.
@prism @simonzerafa BitLocker is enabled by default when installing Windows 10 and newer if the computer has a working TPM (this basically means every Windows 11 machine), however it'll remain in suspended state (meaning no key is needed to decrypt) until you log in to a Microsoft account (or AD, but that's not important here). Once you log in to Microsoft account (this applies to free accounts), your recovery key is backed up there and BitLocker is enabled, but thanks to TPM, the drive gets unlocked automatically, so you don't notice anything – until the moment Microsoft's updates break this automatic decryption, and you're welcomed with the recovery key entry at bootup (which only happened twice this year).
On Windows Home this is also the only official way to enable BitLocker, however you can do it manually by using the manage-bde.exe command-line utility (which you can also use to display your recovery key – run
manage-bde -protectors -get C:from elevated command prompt to get the recovery key, it's the long number under Password). -
@wing_of_eternity Because it stops backing up after 5GB's. That's precisely the amount missing.
@prism Interesting, I didn't know that. So you have something still, good. But all that data, is it really unrecoverable now? Hmm.
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Blocked three people today, which is three more than my monthly average. Gotta love the internet.
We're up to five, boys!
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@kimcrawley @prism If I may, here's a series of blog posts describing why blind people really can't use Linux reliably, as unfortunate as it is. I really wish things were different so I could run far away from Windows. https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-doesnt-love-me-back-post-1-built-for-control-but-not-for-people/
@BrailleScreen @prism @kimcrawley It's a lot better now, especially if you take advantage of AI to help you manage your system, make little helper software, etc. I don't know Nix yet happily daily NixOS this way and have been for 3 months. As I always put it to people who ask me why I switched, I'd rather use my own vibe coded OS rather than Microsoft's. Still loads better of an option than Windows
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@prism @simonzerafa BitLocker is enabled by default when installing Windows 10 and newer if the computer has a working TPM (this basically means every Windows 11 machine), however it'll remain in suspended state (meaning no key is needed to decrypt) until you log in to a Microsoft account (or AD, but that's not important here). Once you log in to Microsoft account (this applies to free accounts), your recovery key is backed up there and BitLocker is enabled, but thanks to TPM, the drive gets unlocked automatically, so you don't notice anything – until the moment Microsoft's updates break this automatic decryption, and you're welcomed with the recovery key entry at bootup (which only happened twice this year).
On Windows Home this is also the only official way to enable BitLocker, however you can do it manually by using the manage-bde.exe command-line utility (which you can also use to display your recovery key – run
manage-bde -protectors -get C:from elevated command prompt to get the recovery key, it's the long number under Password).Not everyone uses a Microsoft account, many use a Local account and selectively enable whatever services are required or even wanted.
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I'm more upset than I've been in a while.
Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.
To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.
Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.
Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.
Goodnight.
@prism
That's awful. This is a great example of Microsoft picking product defaults which benefit themselves and not the customer. Storing files only in OneDrive is less safe (only 1 copy of the file), slower to open, and unexpected to the customer. All just so MS can pad their cloud usage statistics. Awful.
