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  • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

    I'm more upset than I've been in a while.

    Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.

    To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.

    Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.

    Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.

    Goodnight.

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    jonahgibberish@kolektiva.social
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    #192

    @prism lost most of a novel this way. The people that designed it to work this way have names and addresses. I'm compiling a list.

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    • jdking92@dragonscave.spaceJ jdking92@dragonscave.space

      @econads @prism It's not sarcasm. I do understand that corporations need to make money. But what MS is doing with the whole OneDrive thing is utterly disgraceful and I'm not even close to here for that.

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      econads@mendeddrum.org
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      #193

      @jdking92 ah ok, excellent! I thought so but then how even dare they is used for over exaggerating something for comic effect in my circles so I was a little confused. Sorry to distract you, let us carry on laying into them! 🙂 @prism

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      • econads@mendeddrum.orgE econads@mendeddrum.org

        @jdking92 ah ok, excellent! I thought so but then how even dare they is used for over exaggerating something for comic effect in my circles so I was a little confused. Sorry to distract you, let us carry on laying into them! 🙂 @prism

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        jdking92@dragonscave.space
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        #194

        @econads @prism You're all good!

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        • jdking92@dragonscave.spaceJ jdking92@dragonscave.space

          @econads @prism You're all good!

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          #195

          @jdking92 the thing is I'm pretty sure they're too big to fail right now and could still make money with an excellent product and a delightful user experience, but they've purposefully chosen low level evil. @prism

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          • econads@mendeddrum.orgE econads@mendeddrum.org

            @jdking92 the thing is I'm pretty sure they're too big to fail right now and could still make money with an excellent product and a delightful user experience, but they've purposefully chosen low level evil. @prism

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            #196

            @econads @jdking92 That's what I don't understand about all the desperate upsells. Is microsoft going somewhere? Are they on the vurge of bankruptsy? I don't think so. It's just optimizing for its own sake because that's what gets rewarded upstream.

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            • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

              I'm more upset than I've been in a while.

              Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.

              To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.

              Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.

              Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.

              Goodnight.

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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #197

              @prism That sucks majorly, I'm so sorry.

              Also I'm surprised to find out accessibility is so lacking on linux. You shouldn't have to rely on microsoft for that.

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              • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                I'm more upset than I've been in a while.

                Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.

                To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.

                Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.

                Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.

                Goodnight.

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                elbeetoots@mastodon.nl
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                #198

                @prism I stumbled upon your post in my timeline and unfortunately I have nothing else to say then "well, fuck...¨ 😕

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                • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                  @econads @jdking92 That's what I don't understand about all the desperate upsells. Is microsoft going somewhere? Are they on the vurge of bankruptsy? I don't think so. It's just optimizing for its own sake because that's what gets rewarded upstream.

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                  #199

                  @prism yep, they've got enough captive users now that they can concentrate on squeezing them for metrics or whatever else: middle managers carving out their own turf without someone in control of the overall experience. Because they don't care about the experience. Mask off innit, they don't need to pretend to be interested in customers anymore. @jdking92

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                  • econads@mendeddrum.orgE econads@mendeddrum.org

                    @prism yep, they've got enough captive users now that they can concentrate on squeezing them for metrics or whatever else: middle managers carving out their own turf without someone in control of the overall experience. Because they don't care about the experience. Mask off innit, they don't need to pretend to be interested in customers anymore. @jdking92

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                    jdking92@dragonscave.space
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #200

                    @econads @prism Pretty much. This applies to other big corporations too, of course, not just MS. Users are only numbers in a giant spreadsheet and it's not ok.

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                    • Z zbennoui@dragonscave.space

                      @nicolas17 @jackf723 @librarysquirrel @altlazybear @prism Correct, also they don't sign you into iCloud automatically if you don't set up an Apple ID during Setup Assistant. You can then sign into the App Store separately later, and never have to touch iCloud at all if you don't want to. This has been how it's always worked. I Believe cloud activation is mainly for security reasons to ensure the OS is signed, though I agree it shouldn't be necessary.

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                      #201

                      @ZBennoui @nicolas17 @jackf723 @librarysquirrel @altlazybear @prism I have never ever signed in to iCloud on my work mac. I have installers for the OS on a separate HD. I also have an OS installation on a separate HD which I can plug in and select on boot to restore the OS.

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                      • jdking92@dragonscave.spaceJ jdking92@dragonscave.space

                        @econads @prism Pretty much. This applies to other big corporations too, of course, not just MS. Users are only numbers in a giant spreadsheet and it's not ok.

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                        econads@mendeddrum.org
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #202

                        @jdking92
                        amen, brother.
                        MS is one of the worst IMO, but maybe I've just got a particular rational hatred of them. (It's entirely rational, that's not a typo.)

                        @prism

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                        • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                          @acerbt Everyone, literally everyone: I'm so sorry for your loss.

                          You: well, what you should have done is...

                          Jesus Christ dude.

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                          phosphenes@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #203

                          @prism @acerbt

                          I don't have any should-haves, but your story makes me grateful that I never trusted OneDrive.

                          I knew a guy whose files were spontaneously deleted by OneDrive *while he was a programmer working for Microsoft*.

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                          • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                            I'm more upset than I've been in a while.

                            Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.

                            To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.

                            Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.

                            Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.

                            Goodnight.

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                            #204

                            @prism this is horrible. It is odd to see people's suggestions as especially they should understand this exact frustration when systems do things behind one's back or even generally when things happen behind your back that you cannot observe but affect you in a bad way.

                            A reason I feel uncomfortable using a smartphone is because there is a lot happening on such a device, but usually just a single thing is visible and it feels like a lack of insight and thus control.

                            Without eyesight it would seem extremely hard to reach a level of comfort, trusting computing in general. You are very brave that you reached this point. What happened now is betrayal.

                            Many people using free software were once betrayed by proprietary software, so I would expect empathy especially from that corner.

                            All the best wishes!! Everybody deserves computing they have full control over and that will not betray them. And damn that this is not available for all today!

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                            • penrose@mariconear.socialP penrose@mariconear.social

                              @prism That sucks majorly, I'm so sorry.

                              Also I'm surprised to find out accessibility is so lacking on linux. You shouldn't have to rely on microsoft for that.

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                              prism@infosec.exchange
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                              #205

                              @penrose Microsoft has quotas to meet and laws to comply with. Linux cares naught for these silly trifles, as long as the thing you made works for you and your cool friends then that's all it needs to do.

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                              • penrose@mariconear.socialP penrose@mariconear.social

                                @prism That sucks majorly, I'm so sorry.

                                Also I'm surprised to find out accessibility is so lacking on linux. You shouldn't have to rely on microsoft for that.

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                                #206

                                @penrose Also anyone trying to change things for the better has to deal with ignorant shit like this on the daily https://dragonscave.space/@Stealthy/117455649481504738

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                                • ve3rwj@mastodon.radioV ve3rwj@mastodon.radio

                                  @ryse @prism the phrase "dark pattern" doesn't quite capture this feeling

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                                  #207

                                  @VE3RWJ @prism It's a dark pattern within a dark pattern... a dark pattern inception. And just like cloud storage was forced on us, the same is happening all over with AI.

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                                  • kay@mastodon.nzK kay@mastodon.nz

                                    @prism Many sympathies. No solutions.

                                    I'm still on Windows 10 and File Explorer no longer works. It tells me I must have spelled the file address wrong. I have decades of documents in folders. I can't access any of them.

                                    This should be fixable but I'm also sick and lack the energy to even try.

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                                    #208

                                    @Kay @prism You could get them from a Linux live boot, which should be able to see and copy them to a backup device. What a pain.

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                                    • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                                      I'm more upset than I've been in a while.

                                      Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.

                                      To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.

                                      Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.

                                      Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.

                                      Goodnight.

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                                      jem_of_oz@mastodon.social
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                                      #209

                                      @prism
                                      When you set up your account on the PC one drive gives you the option of saving to od or not....you werent paying attention.

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                                      • jem_of_oz@mastodon.socialJ jem_of_oz@mastodon.social

                                        @prism
                                        When you set up your account on the PC one drive gives you the option of saving to od or not....you werent paying attention.

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                                        prism@infosec.exchange
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                                        #210

                                        @Jem_of_Oz blocked

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                                        • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                                          I'm more upset than I've been in a while.

                                          Windows 11 sets the default documents folder to onedrive\documents. Anything that gets saved there gets backed up to one drive. This includes various save games, all my Reaper stuff, and various other odds and ends that I like to, you know, save.

                                          To save disc space, OneDrive also defaults to files being online-only. They're not stored on your device, they're just listed there. So despite what they call it, this is in fact not a backup at all, because it doesn't create an extra copy. It is actually just transferring your most precious, irreplacible, personal files to Microsoft in the background, and trusting that nothing will happen. You can see where this is going, but just to underline the point with a bleeding fucking dagger, I did not ask for any of this, I just clicked save like I have done for the last twenty or so years of my life using Windows.

                                          Since I don't care about and have never intentionally used onedrive, I signed out of it. Flash forward six months, the files that I thought were on my computer (because I can go see them there in the folder) are in fact gone from my hard drive, and also Onedrive nuked them from orbit.

                                          Years of my life, gone without a trace. Thanks so much, Microsoft. Whoever came up with all those ideas probably got massive performance bonuses, because we're in the worst timeline.

                                          Goodnight.

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                                          twynn@mas.to
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                                          #211

                                          @prism That really sucks, man. I wish they weren't so aggressive with this, as I think this would also effect backups, e.g., through robocopy mirroring. That, and free users only get 5GB, so it's not a viable backup strategy in the first place. They also don't make it easy to disable, and the moving from OneDrive to local folders was not frictionless from what I can recall in my Windows 11 install.

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